Ser Warwick Posted May 24, 2017 Report Share Posted May 24, 2017 11 minutes ago, generalripphook said: Wait how can you have a Primaris ancient if they just got created...... Ancient appears to be a 16th century derivation of the rank of Ensign, alternatively used for either a standard bearer or the standard itself. Also, it seems that the Space Marine Big'uns can be made from existing Marines. Odd, but might explain their acceptance by unorthodox chapters a bit better. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugarlessllama Posted May 24, 2017 Report Share Posted May 24, 2017 1 hour ago, PumpkinHead said: So now I have to shell out $25 bucks every time GW does a rules change so I can keep playing my army? :( How is that any different than buying codexes for the past 20 years? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrewgeddon Posted May 24, 2017 Report Share Posted May 24, 2017 Sorry if this has been answered, but I’ve just recently had my interests piqued by the new edition, and I’m in the process of slowing shifting through 46 pages of forum posts, heh. Has there been any indication as to what the rulebook has to offer over the free rules that are coming out, aside from fluff / art / hardbacked goodness? I will most likely pick it up, but I’m kinda weighting the pros and cons of getting the new starter set vs picking up an Index + Start Collecting box + $50 worth of minis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InfestedKerrigan Posted May 24, 2017 Report Share Posted May 24, 2017 The full rules instead of quick play, for starters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InfestedKerrigan Posted May 24, 2017 Report Share Posted May 24, 2017 It seems the free rules will work in conjunction with the power level system. For matched and Narrative Play you need the BRB and possibly Index/Codex. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InfestedKerrigan Posted May 24, 2017 Report Share Posted May 24, 2017 But this is supposition on my part from what we've been given. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugarlessllama Posted May 24, 2017 Report Share Posted May 24, 2017 Based on what has been released, I think Kerrigan is right: the free rules will get you playing games using the power point system. If you want "matched play" (points), you are going to need the BRB. Additionally, it looks like the BRB will also include rules for Cities of Death and Stronghold Assault. This leads me to believe that we will also see Planetstrike and Death in the Skies rules in the BRB as well. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Hanaur Posted May 24, 2017 Report Share Posted May 24, 2017 ...or maybe they just include Cities of Death, Terrain rules, Stronghold assault stuff and other extraneous but important information but all the "how to play" rules are free for normal matched play and otherwise. I dont think they would exclude matched play from the free rules. Thats just my take on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Munkie Posted May 24, 2017 Report Share Posted May 24, 2017 1 hour ago, Sugarlessllama said: How is that any different than buying codexes for the past 20 years? Easy, they weren't $25 for the past 5 years, they were $50 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugarlessllama Posted May 24, 2017 Report Share Posted May 24, 2017 Dang. It looks like the only update we are going to get today about the new edition is going to be about Forge World stuff. :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Hanaur Posted May 24, 2017 Report Share Posted May 24, 2017 the addiction is real. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrewgeddon Posted May 24, 2017 Report Share Posted May 24, 2017 42 minutes ago, Sugarlessllama said: Based on what has been released, I think Kerrigan is right: the free rules will get you playing games using the power point system. If you want "matched play" (points), you are going to need the BRB. Additionally, it looks like the BRB will also include rules for Cities of Death and Stronghold Assault. This leads me to believe that we will also see Planetstrike and Death in the Skies rules in the BRB as well. Isn't that what the Index are for, to supply you with the points? You'll have to forgive me, as I didn't get into AoS, but I thought the core rules were the same, and the General's Handbook simply introduced points for everything, isn't that what we're looking at with the rules vs the Indices? Or am I way off here? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andozane Posted May 24, 2017 Report Share Posted May 24, 2017 1 hour ago, Andrewgeddon said: Sorry if this has been answered, but I’ve just recently had my interests piqued by the new edition, and I’m in the process of slowing shifting through 46 pages of forum posts, heh. Has there been any indication as to what the rulebook has to offer over the free rules that are coming out, aside from fluff / art / hardbacked goodness? I will most likely pick it up, but I’m kinda weighting the pros and cons of getting the new starter set vs picking up an Index + Start Collecting box + $50 worth of minis. So far other than mentioning free rules, there hasn't been a lot of detail about them .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrewgeddon Posted May 24, 2017 Report Share Posted May 24, 2017 Just now, andozane said: So far other than mentioning free rules, there hasn't been a lot of detail about them .... Fair enough, as said I've only been poking through this thread recently, and there's a lot of info to sort through... I'm sure I'll end up picking the starter set up, since I like print rule books with fluff and awesome art, and I think the models are pretty great. Looking forward to cracking open some beers and stumbling through a game! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugarlessllama Posted May 24, 2017 Report Share Posted May 24, 2017 53 minutes ago, Andrewgeddon said: Isn't that what the Index are for, to supply you with the points? You'll have to forgive me, as I didn't get into AoS, but I thought the core rules were the same, and the General's Handbook simply introduced points for everything, isn't that what we're looking at with the rules vs the Indices? Or am I way off here? The General's Handbook had points, but it didn't have unit profiles. Maybe the faction books will have both. I don't know. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonVilkee Posted May 24, 2017 Report Share Posted May 24, 2017 So my take is the free rules will actually be great for matched play, and power level. Narrative will want all the extra. It will be the base rules free, the book had missions and other war zone type things... the sky, trenches, cities oh my! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainA Posted May 24, 2017 Report Share Posted May 24, 2017 1 hour ago, Andrewgeddon said: Isn't that what the Index are for, to supply you with the points? You'll have to forgive me, as I didn't get into AoS, but I thought the core rules were the same, and the General's Handbook simply introduced points for everything, isn't that what we're looking at with the rules vs the Indices? Or am I way off here? The Rule book will have fluff (story), core rules for the game, rules for matched play, narrative play, Detachment rules, missions, etc. The Indexes will have all of the datasheets for the units of each army, broken up into 5 books. Later on we will get codexes that will have faction bonuses, other detachments, and may or may not have updated datasheets. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InfestedKerrigan Posted May 24, 2017 Report Share Posted May 24, 2017 8 hours ago, CaptainA said: I think the pacing we have seen thus far has been that GW has had all this stuff in the works for a long time and needed to push it all out before 8th dropped. Thus the mad paced release of the 7th edition material. This is my conspiracy theory. If AOS didn't follow the same pattern, I'd agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threejacks Posted May 24, 2017 Report Share Posted May 24, 2017 39 minutes ago, InfestedKerrigan said: If AOS didn't follow the same pattern, I'd agree. Couldnt it be true that they were both in making for several years?..I mean they have said in the past that many new products spend a year or more in developement. They knew that Fantasy needed the redo first with the dwindling interest over the last several years and im sure they could see how the 40k ruleset was getting overbloated with suppliments,ammendments and such.I mean to me it seemed since 7th dropped,it was getting so bad that it almost appeared that they were priming the playerbase to the point that people were practically begging to have it simplified,master plan perhaps? I mean when AoS dropped many,many fans of both games were getting utterly shut down when mentioning the possibility that a similar system would work well for 40k,,GW knew the hate was there for this new system so perhaps they felt the need to make the current edition of the game "unsavory" in order to subdue any potential outcry with this new (very similar to AoS) system.This all assuming that nu40k was well under testing at that time of course Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Munkie Posted May 24, 2017 Report Share Posted May 24, 2017 I think AoS would've been received better if 8th ed wasn't capped off with a blatant money grab, then deleted everything everyone cared about for 30 years so they could reboot with more IP defense built in, and then released AoS as a half complete, "this game ONLY functions as a fun with friends" type of game. The problem was never with AoS so much as how poorly executed it was. It was tasteless to the point that it came across as spite to many fantasy enthusiasts. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted May 25, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 25, 2017 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InfestedKerrigan Posted May 25, 2017 Report Share Posted May 25, 2017 I expect more of you, priest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Munkie Posted May 25, 2017 Report Share Posted May 25, 2017 5 hours ago, pretre said: Don't get me wrong, they've completely done a 180 from how cluelessly they stumbled through AoS. That was them admitting loudly and enthusiastically that they have no idea what they're doing on really any level. Then they realized that bad business is actually bad (surprise) and have endeavored since to be good at stuff. -transparency. Check. -listening to people. Check -rebooting rules without being douchey for the sake of being douchey. Check. I'm down. So I get it. As a self-proclaimed fanboi it's annoying to deal with the fall out of their blatant [big bad swear word]-ups. But I don't know that eye-roll memes really contribute much. Pretending they don't make mistakes does nothing for anyone. Acknowledging that they've made absolutely embarrassing mistakes but have learned from them is a far more valuable lesson. "Yeah, but..." is more meaningful than "nuh-uh!" 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted May 25, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 25, 2017 It's not pretending that they don't make mistakes. It's rehashing the same ol' crap over and over again. And it isn't even the system this thread is about. We get it, the AOS transition sucked. Stop raining on my 'here comes 8th edition' high. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugarlessllama Posted May 25, 2017 Report Share Posted May 25, 2017 And it also depends on who you ask. For me, the AoS transition wasn't too bad. There were some elements that I was "meh" about, but for the most part, I really enjoyed the changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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