WestRider Posted June 1, 2017 Report Share Posted June 1, 2017 3 hours ago, Munkie said: Disintegrater cannons are great now with S5 being better, and damage 2 to boot! Ravagers must end up taking these more often and leave darklight to other units. The Talos seems better but the drop to T6 was a kick to the nuts. A lot shootier than before. The flipside of the same Wound Table that makes the S5 Disintegrators better makes the drop to T6 less painful, too. T6 and T7 are now the same vs S1-2, 4-5, and 8+. Yeah, there are some pretty significant gaps in there (especially the S6-7), but that's still quite a lot of stuff where it won't actually make a difference. You no longer have that break point where T7 made you immune to anything S3 or below. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy Posted June 1, 2017 Report Share Posted June 1, 2017 I wasn't taking the pre-order thing seriously. Are we expecting supplies to be constrained? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happycamper Posted June 1, 2017 Report Share Posted June 1, 2017 2 hours ago, Sugarlessllama said: I am so excited for this weekend. Although three weeks until release is making me a sad panda. 2 weeks. Hope that makes you alittle less of a sad ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Munkie Posted June 1, 2017 Report Share Posted June 1, 2017 So going full on MSU DE I can fit a brigade detachment, and a supreme command detachment, and an outrider detachment at 2000 points. 14 command points sounds good. That's 7 out of turn attacks with units to help mitigate the downside of alternating combat with MSU. *edit* Oops I meant brigade detachment. So: 7 HQs, 6 troops, 3 elites, 6 fast attack, 3 heavy support, and 3 dedicated transports. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spagunk Posted June 1, 2017 Report Share Posted June 1, 2017 2 hours ago, andy said: I wasn't taking the pre-order thing seriously. Are we expecting supplies to be constrained? Probably to the FLGS' but maybe not on GW stores or online. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugarlessllama Posted June 1, 2017 Report Share Posted June 1, 2017 Well, we don't know if the box set is going to be limited or not. The local GW guy did point out that the box set is NOT the new starter. According to GW it is the "ultimate 8th edition box set". The difference I can think of would be if they made it limited like the box set for Shadow War. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Glacius Posted June 1, 2017 Report Share Posted June 1, 2017 13 hours ago, Threejacks said: As per the leaked info on Spiky bits,,,a unit will likely not be able to use another units model count as its leadership.I know its not rock solid clear being GW and all.But being a permissive ruleset,its allowing a unit to use its model count as its leadership,,were is when referring to another unit 6" away,it states it can use its "leadership Characteristic" that would strongly imply what is printed on its dataslate.Which is still nice if a Warboss or named leader is nearby:) Well that is the kicker, it seems to state that the unit can use its size as its leadership "characteristic". So if it is setting a unit's leadership characteristic to its size, and another unit can use the leadership characteristic, that says to me that the unit of 10 tank bustas gets to use the 30 LD of the slugga mob that is within 6" of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonVilkee Posted June 1, 2017 Report Share Posted June 1, 2017 10 minutes ago, Brother Glacius said: Well that is the kicker, it seems to state that the unit can use its size as its leadership "characteristic". So if it is setting a unit's leadership characteristic to its size, and another unit can use the leadership characteristic, that says to me that the unit of 10 tank bustas gets to use the 30 LD of the slugga mob that is within 6" of it. To me the unit can use size as characteristic but it doesn't actually change the characteristic. This means unless the big unit is needing to check leadership the characteristic is printed. Ie small squad checks to see the best leadership it has it is 6 LD but 8 strong so it goes hunting else where. Big squad has a Nob so LD 7, if it tries to substitute size the mobs size is 8. The rule to allow the Nob to change its leadership would not happen cuz he isn't testing; can't count his squad. You would count the size of the squad testing. That was how I read it, silly chains. Goes off to wait for exact wording, hinges on when the squad size LD happens... anytime vs when testing... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonVilkee Posted June 1, 2017 Report Share Posted June 1, 2017 56 minutes ago, Sugarlessllama said: Well, we don't know if the box set is going to be limited or not. The local GW guy did point out that the box set is NOT the new starter. According to GW it is the "ultimate 8th edition box set". The difference I can think of would be if they made it limited like the box set for Shadow War. Hardback book included vs a later offering with softback or no book as the rules will be online? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Glacius Posted June 1, 2017 Report Share Posted June 1, 2017 7 minutes ago, VonVilkee said: To me the unit can use size as characteristic but it doesn't actually change the characteristic. This means unless the big unit is needing to check leadership the characteristic is printed. Ie small squad checks to see the best leadership it has it is 6 LD but 8 strong so it goes hunting else where. Big squad has a Nob so LD 7, if it tries to substitute size the mobs size is 8. The rule to allow the Nob to change its leadership would not happen cuz he isn't testing; can't count his squad. You would count the size of the squad testing. That was how I read it, silly chains. Goes off to wait for exact wording, hinges on when the squad size LD happens... anytime vs when testing... Based on the wording I have seen, it does not mention any limitation of when you can do it. it was simply, you can use your size as your characteristic, and you can use the characteristic of nearby units. It will probably be in the first FAQ. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonVilkee Posted June 1, 2017 Report Share Posted June 1, 2017 So until we have the full rules no sense wondering too much. Copyright and everything should prevent us from having the whole picture. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted June 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2017 8 minutes ago, VonVilkee said: So until we have the full rules no sense wondering too much copyright and everything should prevent us from having the whole picture. We have the full rules. Or rather, they are out there. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threejacks Posted June 1, 2017 Report Share Posted June 1, 2017 " A unit can use the number of models in their unit as their leadership characteristic"..this implies to me that it only works for "their" leadership characteristic. GW has been good about faq ing stuff so im sure we will get more clarity on this in the coming months:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InfestedKerrigan Posted June 1, 2017 Report Share Posted June 1, 2017 27 minutes ago, pretre said: We have the full rules. Or rather, they are out there. Compiled pdf or gtfo Just kidding eh heh eh heh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted June 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2017 Just now, InfestedKerrigan said: Compiled pdf or gtfo Just kidding eh heh eh heh It is also out there. :) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluger Posted June 1, 2017 Report Share Posted June 1, 2017 It's a new record! Rules debates before the rules are officially out! 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluger Posted June 1, 2017 Report Share Posted June 1, 2017 14 hours ago, Threejacks said: Love it! You will rip faces off with that list and the new ruleset..excellent board control,,early threats,great shooting,and hordes of troops to easily pile onto objectives. /doublethumbsup Mostly, I just love hordes and I want it to work. My aesthetic didn't work in 7th, hopefully in 8th it will. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonVilkee Posted June 1, 2017 Report Share Posted June 1, 2017 2 minutes ago, fluger said: Mostly, I just love hordes and I want it to work. My aesthetic didn't work in 7th, hopefully in 8th it will. Oh the visa tactic... it is every where you want to be... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted June 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2017 11 minutes ago, fluger said: It's a new record! Rules debates before the rules are officially out! Nah, that just means it's a day that ends in Y. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluger Posted June 1, 2017 Report Share Posted June 1, 2017 31 minutes ago, VonVilkee said: Oh the visa tactic... it is every where you want to be... That and the Sherwin Williams tactic: Cover the Earth. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PourSpelur Posted June 1, 2017 Report Share Posted June 1, 2017 Dying to see the Trukk rules, points in particular. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonVilkee Posted June 1, 2017 Report Share Posted June 1, 2017 36 minutes ago, fluger said: That and the Sherwin Williams tactic: Cover the Earth. I get a deployment zone! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tombking Posted June 1, 2017 Report Share Posted June 1, 2017 40 minutes ago, fluger said: That and the Sherwin Williams tactic: Cover the Earth. I prefer the Zulu Dawn tactic... I have more bodies than you have bullets. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluger Posted June 1, 2017 Report Share Posted June 1, 2017 IG Horde! Battllion Detachment Company Commander Company Commander Company Commander Infantry Squad with Lascannon, Flamer, and Power Axe Infantry Squad with Lascannon, Flamer, and Power Axe Infantry Squad with Lascannon, Flamer, and Power Axe Infantry Squad with Lascannon, Flamer, and Power Axe Infantry Squad with Lascannon, Flamer, and Power Axe Infantry Squad with Lascannon, Flamer, and Power Axe 5 Ogryns with Ripper Guns Leman Russ with Executioner Plasma, 2 Multimeltas, Lascannon Leman Russ with Executioner Plasma, 2 Multimeltas, Lascannon Wyvern with Heavy Flamer Wyvern with Heavy Flamer Basilisk with Heavy Flamer Basilisk with Heavy Flamer 5 Ratlings Battllion Detachment Tank Commander with Vanquisher with Heavy Bolter Company Commander Infantry Squad with Lascannon, Flamer, and Power Axe Infantry Squad with Lascannon, Flamer, and Power Axe 20 Conscripts 1997 points again. 100 infantry bodies and some serious tank firepower. As well as OGRYNS AND RATLINGS! 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestRider Posted June 1, 2017 Report Share Posted June 1, 2017 10 hours ago, andy said: I wasn't taking the pre-order thing seriously. Are we expecting supplies to be constrained? I think the two week preorder period is actually to avoid that. Based on the SW:A Rulebook, that seems to be the time necessary for them to get a reasonable estimate and get their order from their printer for the Index books. 1 hour ago, fluger said: It's a new record! Rules debates before the rules are officially out! It's happened before. When the Ork Dex dropped at the end of 4th, there was a multi-page document full of stuff needing a FAQ at about the same point before release. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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