Xavier319 Posted July 4, 2017 Report Share Posted July 4, 2017 So, I picked up the Xenos 2 FW book, and I must say I'm disappointed. They reduced the number of units by a lot, and some of them don't make any sense. I wont go into stats of weapons and units, as that wont matter (like how they turned a D str weapon into a gun that has a damage value of 2). What I'm really disappointed in is the sloppy copy-editing and the broken sheets. Take Buzzgob for example. He has a KFF's game text in his abilities box, but the KFF is not listed in his equipment. So as far as I can tell, RAW, he has a free KFF that is just an innate ability. Not only that, but the KFF isnt even listed in the points cost for ork wargear in the points section. Then we get to the Meka Dread. It lists the stats for the rokkit bomb rack, but doesnt say you can take one as an upgrade, AND it's not listed in the list for how many points it costs. And since the KFF isnt listed, the Mega charger upgrade isnt listed, there's massive ambiguity if either of the upgrades cost any points. It's just a hot mess that leaves a LOT of loopholes and questions that dont have RAW answers. Irritating as hell. Thanks for humoring my venting, I was just really excited about this release. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusldorf Posted July 4, 2017 Report Share Posted July 4, 2017 Yeah this is a problem everywhere with the new books. All of which are just to bridge the gap until better quality codices come out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestRider Posted July 4, 2017 Report Share Posted July 4, 2017 The FW stuff is way worse than the actual GW ones, tho. It feels like they're trying to outdo themselves on errors, which is saying something. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonVilkee Posted July 4, 2017 Report Share Posted July 4, 2017 both of the missing points above are in the GW book so maybe you use the same points? Still ambiguous but at least they exist on a points list 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xavier319 Posted July 4, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 4, 2017 13 hours ago, VonVilkee said: both of the missing points above are in the GW book so maybe you use the same points? Still ambiguous but at least they exist on a points list I dont think the Mega boosta or the Rokkit-Bombs are in the core index. The KFF is, so there's at least an argument for that. But what happens when a model has a special rule that SAYS the same thing as a piece of wargear ,but that piece of wargear is not listed IN the units wargear list. RAW Buzzgob gets the effect of a KFF without having to pay for it. Which makes no sense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KIRBY Posted July 4, 2017 Report Share Posted July 4, 2017 I know that I might sound like a commie on independence day and all, but if they are just gonna shlock this crap out as a stop gap why not just make them free pdfs and then we would have less reason to bitch about the [big bad swear word]e copy editing and whatnot since they were free. I would be pissed if I spent the $ on their crap and then it is just going to be supplanted by the shiny new official codex release in a couple of quarters. It has always annoyed me how GeeDub seems to rush things out without fully testing or proofing them... 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xavier319 Posted July 5, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 5, 2017 9 hours ago, KIRBY said: I know that I might sound like a commie on independence day and all, but if they are just gonna shlock this crap out as a stop gap why not just make them free pdfs and then we would have less reason to bitch about the [big bad swear word]e copy editing and whatnot since they were free. I would be pissed if I spent the $ on their crap and then it is just going to be supplanted by the shiny new official codex release in a couple of quarters. It has always annoyed me how GeeDub seems to rush things out without fully testing or proofing them... I paid for it... all of it. I am, in fact, disappointed. I just finished my comprehensive exams for my PhD. I'm not all but diss, and these books were my reward to myself for a year of grueling work. Yeah, some reward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swan-of-War Posted July 5, 2017 Report Share Posted July 5, 2017 Edit because I can't be bothered to read the thread 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InfestedKerrigan Posted July 5, 2017 Report Share Posted July 5, 2017 FW books Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InfestedKerrigan Posted July 5, 2017 Report Share Posted July 5, 2017 I would send cust service a message asking what steps are needed to return the defective product. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted July 5, 2017 Report Share Posted July 5, 2017 15 hours ago, KIRBY said: I would be pissed if I spent the $ on their crap and then it is just going to be supplanted by the shiny new official codex release in a couple of quarters. It has always annoyed me how GeeDub seems to rush things out without fully testing or proofing them... These are clearly a stop gap not meant to hold everyone out until the codexes are released. I think they have been perfectly clear about that and the prices reflect it. For example, the 5 main indexes cost what... $125 and they replace something like $1000 worth of codexes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted July 5, 2017 Report Share Posted July 5, 2017 That being said, the FW ones are, and really always have been, a lot worse on the editing and even FAQ'ing front than GW. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Munkie Posted July 5, 2017 Report Share Posted July 5, 2017 2 hours ago, pretre said: That being said, the FW ones are, and really always have been, a lot worse on the editing and even FAQ'ing front than GW. Which is no small feat. GW has always prided themselves on being the worst in the business when it comes to editing their books. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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