InfestedKerrigan Posted August 12, 2017 Report Share Posted August 12, 2017 On 8/10/2017 at 7:26 AM, pretre said: Well, I'm leaning more heavily towards my SOB right now. I hadn't noticed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InfestedKerrigan Posted August 12, 2017 Report Share Posted August 12, 2017 10 hours ago, pretre said: Swapped Callidus to Culexus 7 CP at 1999 Battalion (+3CP) HQ - Canoness with Eviscerator/BP - 67 HQ - Tempestor with Command Rod - 40 Heavy - 5 Ret with 4 HB - 85 Heavy - 5 Ret with 4 HB - 85 Heavy - 5 Ret with 4 HB - 85 Troop - 34 Conscripts - 102 Troop - 5 Tempestus Scions with 2 Plasma - 59 Troop - 5 Tempestus Scions with 2 Plasma - 59 Elite - Eversor - 70 Elite - Culexus - 85 Elite - Imagifer - 40 Elite - Imagifer - 40 Elite - Commissar with BP/CS - 31 Elite - 4 Tempestus Scions with 4 Plasma - 64 Outrider (+1CP) HQ - St C&1G - 200 Fast - 5 Doms with 4 Melta, Combi-Plasma/BP - 133 Fast - 5 Doms with 5 SB - 60 DT - Repressor with HF/SB - 90 Fast - 5 Doms with 4 Melta, Combi-Plasma/BP - 133 Fast - 5 Doms with 5 SB - 60 DT - Repressor with HF/SBx2 - 92 Fast - 5 Seraphim, Power Sword/BP- 59 Heavy - Penitent Engine - 129 Heavy - Penitent Engine - 129 Okay, so this is for Annihilation, so heavy Maelstrom. Firebase with the Rets and Conscripts (8 drops). Repressors have 2 Doms a piece in them (2 drops). Pen Engines and Repressors move aggressively forward with Celestine (3 more drops). Deep Strikes for taking objectives and hitting targets: Tempestor, 3 Scion squads, Eversor, Culexus. Seraphim either with Celestine or DS depending on deployment. This makes me wish I could go to Annihilation AND go to Idaho to pick up my son. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted August 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 12, 2017 17 hours ago, InfestedKerrigan said: I hadn't noticed. That was my subtle reminder to LH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted August 15, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 15, 2017 So with the ITC changes to Ob Sec, I'm thinking of losing 2 CP to go to this. Basically, I lose 2 CP and gain 3 obsec units. 5 CP at 1999 Patrol (+0CP) HQ - Tempestor with Command Rod - 40 Troop - 34 Conscripts - 102 Troop - 5 Tempestus Scions with 2 Plasma - 59 Troop - 5 Tempestus Scions with 2 Plasma - 59 Elite - Commissar with BP/CS - 31 Elite - 4 Tempestus Scions with 4 Plasma - 64 Spearhead (+1 CP) HQ - Canoness with Eviscerator/BP - 67 Heavy - 5 Ret with 4 HB - 85 Heavy - 5 Ret with 4 HB - 85 Heavy - 5 Ret with 4 HB - 85 Elite - Imagifer - 40 Elite - Imagifer - 40 Outrider (+1CP) HQ - St C&1G - 200 Fast - 5 Doms with 4 Melta, Combi-Plasma/BP - 133 Fast - 5 Doms with 5 SB - 60 DT - Repressor with HF/SB - 90 Fast - 5 Doms with 4 Melta, Combi-Plasma/BP - 133 Fast - 5 Doms with 5 SB - 60 DT - Repressor with HF/SBx2 - 92 Fast - 5 Seraphim, Power Sword/BP- 59 Heavy - Penitent Engine - 129 Heavy - Penitent Engine - 129 Elite - Eversor - 70 Elite - Culexus - 85 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonVilkee Posted August 15, 2017 Report Share Posted August 15, 2017 Yeah considering the lack of use for CP in your forces that looks good but you are just one Adeptus Militarum hq away from +3 CP... commissar Lord points difference from basic commissar? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted August 15, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 15, 2017 4 minutes ago, VonVilkee said: Yeah considering the lack of use for CP in your forces that looks good but you are just one Adeptus Militarum hq away from +3 CP... commissar Lord points difference from basic commissar? Commissar with BP is 31, Lord Commissar is BP/Power Sword and he's 55. Just noticed my Commissar loadout was illegal, you can't take BP/Chainsword on a Commissar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted August 15, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 15, 2017 Hmm. Re-noodling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted August 16, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 Super Aggressive 7 CP at 1999 Vanguard (+1 CP) HQ - Tempestor with Command Rod - 40 Elite - 4 Tempestus Scions with 4 Plasma - 64 Elite - Eversor - 70 Elite - Culexus - 85 Heavy - Manticore - 133 Battalion (+3 CP) HQ - St C&1G - 200 HQ - Canoness with Power Maul/BP - 49 Fast - 5 Doms with 4 Melta, Combi-Plasma/BP - 133 DT - Repressor with HF/SBx2 - 92 Fast - 5 Doms with 4 Melta, Combi-Plasma/BP - 133 DT - Repressor with HF/SBx2 - 92 Fast - 5 Doms with 4 Melta, Combi-Plasma/BP - 133 DT - Repressor with HF/SBx2 - 92 Ob-Sec Troop - 5 Battle Sisters with 3 Storm Bolters - 51 DT - Repressor with HF/SBx2 - 92 Ob-Sec Troop - 5 Battle Sisters with 3 Storm Bolters - 51 DT - Immolator with IF - 103 Ob-Sec Troop - 5 Battle Sisters with 3 Storm Bolters - 51 DT - Immolator with IF - 103 Elite - 8 Arcos - 120 DT - Rhino with Storm Bolter x2 - 77 Elite - Ministorum Priest - 35 Super Ob-Sec 9 CP at 1999 Battalion (+3 CP) HQ - Tempestor with Command Rod - 40 HQ - Tempestor with Pistol- 41 Ob-Sec Troop - 5 Scions with 2 Plasma - 69 Ob-Sec Troop - 5 Scions with 2 Plasma - 69 Ob-Sec Troop - 5 Scions with 2 Plasma - 69 Heavy - Manticore - 133 Battalion (+3 CP) HQ - St C&1G - 200 HQ - Canoness with Power Maul/BP - 49 Fast - 5 Doms with 4 Melta, Combi-Plasma/BP - 133 DT - Repressor with HF/SBx2 - 92 Fast - 5 Doms with 4 Melta, Combi-Plasma/BP - 133 DT - Repressor with HF/SBx2 - 92 Fast - 5 Doms with 4 Melta, Combi-Plasma/BP - 133 DT - Repressor with HF/SBx2 - 92 Ob-Sec Troop - 5 Battle Sisters with 3 Storm Bolters - 51 DT - Repressor with HF/SBx2 - 92 Ob-Sec Troop - 5 Battle Sisters with 3 Storm Bolters - 51 DT - Immolator with IF - 103 Ob-Sec Troop - 5 Battle Sisters with 3 Storm Bolters - 51 DT - Immolator with IF and Storm Bolter - 105 Elite - 8 Arcos - 120 DT - Rhino with Storm Bolter x2 - 77 Elite - Ministorum Priest - 35 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusldorf Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 41 minutes ago, pretre said: Super Aggressive 7 CP at 1999 Vanguard (+1 CP) HQ - Tempestor with Command Rod - 40 Elite - 4 Tempestus Scions with 4 Plasma - 64 Elite - Eversor - 70 Elite - Culexus - 85 Heavy - Manticore - 133 Battalion (+3 CP) HQ - St C&1G - 200 HQ - Canoness with Power Maul/BP - 49 Fast - 5 Doms with 4 Melta, Combi-Plasma/BP - 133 DT - Repressor with HF/SBx2 - 92 Fast - 5 Doms with 4 Melta, Combi-Plasma/BP - 133 DT - Repressor with HF/SBx2 - 92 Fast - 5 Doms with 4 Melta, Combi-Plasma/BP - 133 DT - Repressor with HF/SBx2 - 92 Ob-Sec Troop - 5 Battle Sisters with 3 Storm Bolters - 51 DT - Repressor with HF/SBx2 - 92 Ob-Sec Troop - 5 Battle Sisters with 3 Storm Bolters - 51 DT - Immolator with IF - 103 Ob-Sec Troop - 5 Battle Sisters with 3 Storm Bolters - 51 DT - Immolator with IF - 103 Elite - 8 Arcos - 120 DT - Rhino with Storm Bolter x2 - 77 Elite - Ministorum Priest - 35 Super Ob-Sec 9 CP at 1999 Battalion (+3 CP) HQ - Tempestor with Command Rod - 40 HQ - Tempestor with Pistol- 41 Ob-Sec Troop - 5 Scions with 2 Plasma - 69 Ob-Sec Troop - 5 Scions with 2 Plasma - 69 Ob-Sec Troop - 5 Scions with 2 Plasma - 69 Heavy - Manticore - 133 Battalion (+3 CP) HQ - St C&1G - 200 HQ - Canoness with Power Maul/BP - 49 Fast - 5 Doms with 4 Melta, Combi-Plasma/BP - 133 DT - Repressor with HF/SBx2 - 92 Fast - 5 Doms with 4 Melta, Combi-Plasma/BP - 133 DT - Repressor with HF/SBx2 - 92 Fast - 5 Doms with 4 Melta, Combi-Plasma/BP - 133 DT - Repressor with HF/SBx2 - 92 Ob-Sec Troop - 5 Battle Sisters with 3 Storm Bolters - 51 DT - Repressor with HF/SBx2 - 92 Ob-Sec Troop - 5 Battle Sisters with 3 Storm Bolters - 51 DT - Immolator with IF - 103 Ob-Sec Troop - 5 Battle Sisters with 3 Storm Bolters - 51 DT - Immolator with IF and Storm Bolter - 105 Elite - 8 Arcos - 120 DT - Rhino with Storm Bolter x2 - 77 Elite - Ministorum Priest - 35 In both lists you are one hq away from an extra command point (outrider detachment). And that could be a company commander since you don't care about obsec for outriders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted August 16, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 2 minutes ago, Dusldorf said: In both lists you are one hq away from an extra command point (outrider detachment). And that could be a company commander since you don't care about obsec for outriders. Yeah, but I'm already pretty tight for points. With 8 or 9 already, I don't know that an extra CP is super necessary. I'm still noodling though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonVilkee Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 15 minutes ago, pretre said: Yeah, but I'm already pretty tight for points. With 8 or 9 already, I don't know that an extra CP is super necessary. I'm still noodling though. For what you have extra CP are not worthwhile... but once those books have faction stratagems you will want them I'd actually stay low to get used to playing with few rerolls/ ignore morale and tweak once points change with the book and you want fancy CP cost things 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted August 16, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 29 minutes ago, VonVilkee said: For what you have extra CP are not worthwhile... but once those books have faction stratagems you will want them I'd actually stay low to get used to playing with few rerolls/ ignore morale and tweak once points change with the book and you want fancy CP cost things Yeah, it'll be a while for me to get a book with faction stratagems on Sisters. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InfestedKerrigan Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 59 minutes ago, pretre said: Yeah, it'll be a while for me to get a book with faction stratagems on Sisters. :) I hear 9th edition will be out before then. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted August 16, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 Just now, InfestedKerrigan said: I hear 9th edition will be out before then. Nah, we always get one of the last books before the new edition. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InfestedKerrigan Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 I'm not sure the PDF codex counts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted August 16, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 1 minute ago, InfestedKerrigan said: I'm not sure the PDF codex counts. We've only had maybe 3 paper codexes in 7 editions: C:SOB 2nd Edition, C:WH and C:Imperial Agents. The rest were either WD or PDF codexes. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonVilkee Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 41 minutes ago, pretre said: We've only had maybe 3 paper codexes in 7 editions: C:SOB 2nd Edition, C:WH and C:Imperial Agents. The rest were either WD or PDF codexes. I was more referencing the Astra Militarum part for faction stratagems 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted August 16, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 Okay, this is feeling a bit closer: 10 CP at 2k Battalion (+3 CP) HQ - Company Commander (Laspistol/Chainsword) - 30 HQ - Lord Commissar (BP/Power Sword) - 55 Ob-Sec Troop - 35 Conscripts - 105 Ob-Sec Troop - 5 Tempestus Scions with 2 Plasma - 59 Ob-Sec Troop - 5 Tempestus Scions with 2 Plasma - 59 Heavy - Manticore with HB - 133 Battalion (+3 CP) HQ - St Celestine & one Gemini - 200 HQ - Canoness with Power Maul/BP - 49 Fast - 5 Doms with 4 Melta, Sup with Chainsword/BP/Bolter - 118 DT - Repressor with HF/SB - 90 Fast - 5 Doms with 4 Melta, Sup with Chainsword/BP/Bolter - 118 DT - Repressor with HF/SB - 90 Fast - 5 Seraphim, Superior with BP/Power Sword - 59 Ob-Sec Troop - 5 BSS with 2 Storm Bolters, Sup with StormB/BP/Chainsword - 51 DT - Immolator with IF - 103 Ob-Sec Troop - 5 BSS with 2 Storm Bolters, Sup with StormB/BP/Chainsword - 51 DT - Repressor with HF/SB - 90 Ob-Sec Troop - 5 BSS with 2 Storm Bolters, Sup with StormB/BP/Chainsword - 51 DT - Repressor with HF/SB - 90 Heavy - 5 Ret with 4 HB, Sup with Bolter/BP/Chainsword - 85 Heavy - 5 Ret with 4 HB, Sup with Bolter/BP/Chainsword - 85 Vanguard (+1 CP) HQ - Tempestor with Command Rod - 40 Elite - 4 Tempestus Scions with 4 Plasma - 64 Elite - Eversor - 70 Elite - Culexus - 85 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InfestedKerrigan Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 Loud Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted August 16, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 50 minutes ago, InfestedKerrigan said: Loud It certainly looks a lot beefier on the table than most of the lists so far. So, I guess the idea is that I bunker the Conscripts + Chars, the Rets plus Canoness and the Manticore in my DZ. The Scions x2, Scion Command Squad and Tempestus can be used to snag objective and remove pesky stains. Celestine and the Seraphim push forward and lock things up. Dominions rush forward and nuke crap. Battle sisters slow advance and hold objectives. Assassins target nasty problems and/or grab objectives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted August 16, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 Hmm. Everyone gets free chainswords, apparently. Updated the post earlier and I'll go edit the first post with the winner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted August 17, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2017 Someone's trying to convince me to double up on the repressor for two of the BSS. Which saves me enough for another Ret squad. Not sure if I'm too big on doubling up yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted August 17, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2017 18 hours ago, pretre said: Okay, this is feeling a bit closer: 10 CP at 2k Battalion (+3 CP) HQ - Company Commander (Laspistol/Chainsword) - 30 HQ - Lord Commissar (BP/Power Sword) - 55 Ob-Sec Troop - 35 Conscripts - 105 Ob-Sec Troop - 5 Tempestus Scions with 2 Plasma - 59 Ob-Sec Troop - 5 Tempestus Scions with 2 Plasma - 59 Heavy - Manticore with HB - 133 Battalion (+3 CP) HQ - St Celestine & one Gemini - 200 HQ - Canoness with Power Maul/BP - 49 Fast - 5 Doms with 4 Melta, Sup with Chainsword/BP/Bolter - 118 DT - Repressor with HF/SB - 90 Fast - 5 Doms with 4 Melta, Sup with Chainsword/BP/Bolter - 118 DT - Repressor with HF/SB - 90 Fast - 5 Seraphim, Superior with BP/Power Sword - 59 Ob-Sec Troop - 5 BSS with 2 Storm Bolters, Sup with StormB/BP/Chainsword - 51 DT - Immolator with IF - 103 Ob-Sec Troop - 5 BSS with 2 Storm Bolters, Sup with StormB/BP/Chainsword - 51 DT - Repressor with HF/SB - 90 Ob-Sec Troop - 5 BSS with 2 Storm Bolters, Sup with StormB/BP/Chainsword - 51 DT - Repressor with HF/SB - 90 Heavy - 5 Ret with 4 HB, Sup with Bolter/BP/Chainsword - 85 Heavy - 5 Ret with 4 HB, Sup with Bolter/BP/Chainsword - 85 Vanguard (+1 CP) HQ - Tempestor with Command Rod - 40 Elite - 4 Tempestus Scions with 4 Plasma - 64 Elite - Eversor - 70 Elite - Culexus - 85 So an interesting thought. If I drop the immolator, I can take a total of four BSS squads (same loadout) and load them in the two repressors. Then I can just drop them off. That lets me get my combi-plasma back and beef up the Seraphim a tiny bit 10 CP at 2k Battalion (+3 CP) HQ - Company Commander (Laspistol/Chainsword) - 30 HQ - Lord Commissar (BP/Power Sword) - 55 Ob-Sec Troop - 35 Conscripts - 105 Ob-Sec Troop - 5 Tempestus Scions with 2 Plasma - 59 Ob-Sec Troop - 5 Tempestus Scions with 2 Plasma - 59 Heavy - Manticore with HB - 133 Battalion (+3 CP) HQ - St Celestine & one Gemini - 200 HQ - Canoness with Power Maul/BP - 49 Fast - 5 Doms with 4 Melta, Sup with Chainsword/BP/CombiP - 133 DT - Repressor with HF/SB - 90 Fast - 5 Doms with 4 Melta, Sup with Chainsword/BP/CombiP - 133 DT - Repressor with HF/SB - 90 Fast - 7 Seraphim, Superior with BP/Power Sword - 81 Ob-Sec Troop - 5 BSS with 2 Storm Bolters, Sup with StormB/BP/Chainsword - 51 Ob-Sec Troop - 5 BSS with 2 Storm Bolters, Sup with StormB/BP/Chainsword - 51 DT - Repressor with HF/SB - 90 Ob-Sec Troop - 5 BSS with 2 Storm Bolters, Sup with StormB/BP/Chainsword - 51 Ob-Sec Troop - 5 BSS with 2 Storm Bolters, Sup with StormB/BP/Chainsword - 51 DT - Repressor with HF/SB - 90 Heavy - 5 Ret with 4 HB, Sup with Bolter/BP/Chainsword - 85 Heavy - 5 Ret with 4 HB, Sup with Bolter/BP/Chainsword - 85 Vanguard (+1 CP) HQ - Tempestor with Command Rod - 40 Elite - 4 Tempestus Scions with 4 Plasma - 64 Elite - Eversor - 70 Elite - Culexus - 85 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted August 17, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2017 I had not noticed that Plasma Pistols were so cheap for guard/tempestus. 10 CP at 2k Battalion (+3 CP) HQ - Tempestor with Command Rod - 40 HQ - Lord Commissar (BP/Power Sword) - 55 Ob-Sec Troop - 35 Conscripts - 105 Ob-Sec Troop - 5 Tempestus Scions with 2 Plasma and PP - 64 Ob-Sec Troop - 5 Tempestus Scions with 2 Plasma and PP - 64 Heavy - Manticore with HB - 133 Elite - 4 Tempestus Scions with 4 Plasma - 64 Battalion (+3 CP) HQ - St Celestine & one Gemini - 200 HQ - Canoness with Power Maul/BP - 49 Fast - 5 Doms with 4 Melta, Sup with Chainsword/BP/CombiP - 133 DT - Repressor with HF/SB - 90 Fast - 5 Doms with 4 Melta, Sup with Chainsword/BP/CombiP - 133 DT - Repressor with HF/SB - 90 Fast - 8 Seraphim, Superior with BP/Power Sword - 92 Ob-Sec Troop - 5 BSS with 2 Storm Bolters, Sup with StormB/BP/Chainsword - 51 Ob-Sec Troop - 5 BSS with 2 Storm Bolters, Sup with StormB/BP/Chainsword - 51 DT - Repressor with HF/SB - 90 Ob-Sec Troop - 5 BSS with 2 Storm Bolters, Sup with StormB/BP/Chainsword - 51 Ob-Sec Troop - 5 BSS with 2 Storm Bolters, Sup with StormB/BP/Chainsword - 51 DT - Repressor with HF/SB - 90 Heavy - 5 Ret with 4 HB, Sup with Bolter/BP/Chainsword - 85 Vanguard (+1 CP) HQ - Tempestor with Command Rod - 40 Elite - 4 Tempestus Scions with 4 Plasma - 64 Elite - Eversor - 70 Elite - Culexus - 85 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted August 17, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2017 Gets me four plasma death squads with 12 normal and 2 Plasma pistols by dropping 1 ret squad. 4 orders for them as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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