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2000 Point Annihilation in September - Space Wolves? Sisters?


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10 hours ago, pretre said:

Swapped Callidus to Culexus

 


7 CP at 1999

Battalion (+3CP)
HQ - Canoness with Eviscerator/BP - 67
HQ - Tempestor with Command Rod - 40
Heavy - 5 Ret with 4 HB  - 85
Heavy - 5 Ret with 4 HB  - 85
Heavy - 5 Ret with 4 HB  - 85
Troop - 34 Conscripts - 102
Troop - 5 Tempestus Scions with 2 Plasma - 59
Troop - 5 Tempestus Scions with 2 Plasma - 59
Elite - Eversor - 70
Elite - Culexus - 85
Elite - Imagifer - 40
Elite - Imagifer - 40
Elite - Commissar with BP/CS - 31
Elite - 4 Tempestus Scions with 4 Plasma - 64

Outrider (+1CP)
HQ - St C&1G - 200
Fast - 5 Doms with 4 Melta, Combi-Plasma/BP - 133
Fast - 5 Doms with 5 SB - 60
DT - Repressor with HF/SB - 90
Fast - 5 Doms with 4 Melta, Combi-Plasma/BP - 133
Fast - 5 Doms with 5 SB - 60
DT - Repressor with HF/SBx2 - 92
Fast - 5 Seraphim, Power Sword/BP- 59
Heavy - Penitent Engine - 129
Heavy - Penitent Engine - 129

Okay, so this is for Annihilation, so heavy Maelstrom. Firebase with the Rets and Conscripts (8 drops). Repressors have 2 Doms a piece in them (2 drops). Pen Engines and Repressors move aggressively forward with Celestine (3 more drops). Deep Strikes for taking objectives and hitting targets: Tempestor, 3 Scion squads, Eversor, Culexus. Seraphim either with Celestine or DS depending on deployment.

This makes me wish I could go to Annihilation AND go to Idaho to pick up my son.

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So with the ITC changes to Ob Sec, I'm thinking of losing 2 CP to go to this. Basically, I lose 2 CP and gain 3 obsec units.

 

5 CP at 1999

Patrol (+0CP)
HQ - Tempestor with Command Rod - 40
Troop - 34 Conscripts - 102
Troop - 5 Tempestus Scions with 2 Plasma - 59
Troop - 5 Tempestus Scions with 2 Plasma - 59
Elite - Commissar with BP/CS - 31
Elite - 4 Tempestus Scions with 4 Plasma - 64

Spearhead (+1 CP)
HQ - Canoness with Eviscerator/BP - 67
Heavy - 5 Ret with 4 HB  - 85
Heavy - 5 Ret with 4 HB  - 85
Heavy - 5 Ret with 4 HB  - 85
Elite - Imagifer - 40
Elite - Imagifer - 40

Outrider (+1CP)
HQ - St C&1G - 200
Fast - 5 Doms with 4 Melta, Combi-Plasma/BP - 133
Fast - 5 Doms with 5 SB - 60
DT - Repressor with HF/SB - 90
Fast - 5 Doms with 4 Melta, Combi-Plasma/BP - 133
Fast - 5 Doms with 5 SB - 60
DT - Repressor with HF/SBx2 - 92
Fast - 5 Seraphim, Power Sword/BP- 59
Heavy - Penitent Engine - 129
Heavy - Penitent Engine - 129
Elite - Eversor - 70
Elite - Culexus - 85

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4 minutes ago, VonVilkee said:

Yeah considering the lack of use for CP in your forces that looks good but you are just one Adeptus Militarum hq away from +3 CP... commissar Lord points difference from basic commissar?

Commissar with BP is 31, Lord Commissar is BP/Power Sword and he's 55.

Just noticed my Commissar loadout was illegal, you can't take BP/Chainsword on a Commissar.

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Super Aggressive
7 CP at 1999

Vanguard (+1 CP)
HQ - Tempestor with Command Rod - 40
Elite - 4 Tempestus Scions with 4 Plasma - 64
Elite - Eversor - 70
Elite - Culexus - 85
Heavy - Manticore - 133

Battalion (+3 CP)
HQ - St C&1G - 200
HQ - Canoness with Power Maul/BP - 49
Fast - 5 Doms with 4 Melta, Combi-Plasma/BP - 133
DT - Repressor with HF/SBx2 - 92
Fast - 5 Doms with 4 Melta, Combi-Plasma/BP - 133
DT - Repressor with HF/SBx2 - 92
Fast - 5 Doms with 4 Melta, Combi-Plasma/BP - 133
DT - Repressor with HF/SBx2 - 92
Ob-Sec Troop - 5 Battle Sisters with 3 Storm Bolters - 51
DT - Repressor with HF/SBx2 - 92
Ob-Sec Troop - 5 Battle Sisters with 3 Storm Bolters - 51
DT - Immolator with IF - 103
Ob-Sec Troop - 5 Battle Sisters with 3 Storm Bolters - 51
DT - Immolator with IF - 103
Elite - 8 Arcos - 120
DT - Rhino with Storm Bolter x2 - 77
Elite - Ministorum Priest - 35


Super Ob-Sec
9 CP at 1999

Battalion (+3 CP)
HQ - Tempestor with Command Rod - 40
HQ - Tempestor with Pistol- 41
Ob-Sec Troop - 5 Scions with 2 Plasma - 69
Ob-Sec Troop - 5 Scions with 2 Plasma - 69
Ob-Sec Troop - 5 Scions with 2 Plasma - 69
Heavy - Manticore - 133

Battalion (+3 CP)
HQ - St C&1G - 200
HQ - Canoness with Power Maul/BP - 49
Fast - 5 Doms with 4 Melta, Combi-Plasma/BP - 133
DT - Repressor with HF/SBx2 - 92
Fast - 5 Doms with 4 Melta, Combi-Plasma/BP - 133
DT - Repressor with HF/SBx2 - 92
Fast - 5 Doms with 4 Melta, Combi-Plasma/BP - 133
DT - Repressor with HF/SBx2 - 92
Ob-Sec Troop - 5 Battle Sisters with 3 Storm Bolters - 51
DT - Repressor with HF/SBx2 - 92
Ob-Sec Troop - 5 Battle Sisters with 3 Storm Bolters - 51
DT - Immolator with IF - 103
Ob-Sec Troop - 5 Battle Sisters with 3 Storm Bolters - 51
DT - Immolator with IF and Storm Bolter - 105
Elite - 8 Arcos - 120
DT - Rhino with Storm Bolter x2 - 77
Elite - Ministorum Priest - 35

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41 minutes ago, pretre said:

Super Aggressive
7 CP at 1999

Vanguard (+1 CP)
HQ - Tempestor with Command Rod - 40
Elite - 4 Tempestus Scions with 4 Plasma - 64
Elite - Eversor - 70
Elite - Culexus - 85
Heavy - Manticore - 133

Battalion (+3 CP)
HQ - St C&1G - 200
HQ - Canoness with Power Maul/BP - 49
Fast - 5 Doms with 4 Melta, Combi-Plasma/BP - 133
DT - Repressor with HF/SBx2 - 92
Fast - 5 Doms with 4 Melta, Combi-Plasma/BP - 133
DT - Repressor with HF/SBx2 - 92
Fast - 5 Doms with 4 Melta, Combi-Plasma/BP - 133
DT - Repressor with HF/SBx2 - 92
Ob-Sec Troop - 5 Battle Sisters with 3 Storm Bolters - 51
DT - Repressor with HF/SBx2 - 92
Ob-Sec Troop - 5 Battle Sisters with 3 Storm Bolters - 51
DT - Immolator with IF - 103
Ob-Sec Troop - 5 Battle Sisters with 3 Storm Bolters - 51
DT - Immolator with IF - 103
Elite - 8 Arcos - 120
DT - Rhino with Storm Bolter x2 - 77
Elite - Ministorum Priest - 35


Super Ob-Sec
9 CP at 1999

Battalion (+3 CP)
HQ - Tempestor with Command Rod - 40
HQ - Tempestor with Pistol- 41
Ob-Sec Troop - 5 Scions with 2 Plasma - 69
Ob-Sec Troop - 5 Scions with 2 Plasma - 69
Ob-Sec Troop - 5 Scions with 2 Plasma - 69
Heavy - Manticore - 133

Battalion (+3 CP)
HQ - St C&1G - 200
HQ - Canoness with Power Maul/BP - 49
Fast - 5 Doms with 4 Melta, Combi-Plasma/BP - 133
DT - Repressor with HF/SBx2 - 92
Fast - 5 Doms with 4 Melta, Combi-Plasma/BP - 133
DT - Repressor with HF/SBx2 - 92
Fast - 5 Doms with 4 Melta, Combi-Plasma/BP - 133
DT - Repressor with HF/SBx2 - 92
Ob-Sec Troop - 5 Battle Sisters with 3 Storm Bolters - 51
DT - Repressor with HF/SBx2 - 92
Ob-Sec Troop - 5 Battle Sisters with 3 Storm Bolters - 51
DT - Immolator with IF - 103
Ob-Sec Troop - 5 Battle Sisters with 3 Storm Bolters - 51
DT - Immolator with IF and Storm Bolter - 105
Elite - 8 Arcos - 120
DT - Rhino with Storm Bolter x2 - 77
Elite - Ministorum Priest - 35

In both lists you are one hq away from an extra command point (outrider detachment). And that could be a company commander since you don't care about obsec for outriders. 

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2 minutes ago, Dusldorf said:

In both lists you are one hq away from an extra command point (outrider detachment). And that could be a company commander since you don't care about obsec for outriders. 

Yeah, but I'm already pretty tight for points. With 8 or 9 already, I don't know that an extra CP is super necessary. I'm still noodling though.

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15 minutes ago, pretre said:

Yeah, but I'm already pretty tight for points. With 8 or 9 already, I don't know that an extra CP is super necessary. I'm still noodling though.

For what you have extra CP are not worthwhile... but once those books have faction stratagems you will want them I'd actually stay low to get used to playing with few rerolls/ ignore morale and tweak once points change with the book and you want fancy CP cost things

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29 minutes ago, VonVilkee said:

For what you have extra CP are not worthwhile... but once those books have faction stratagems you will want them I'd actually stay low to get used to playing with few rerolls/ ignore morale and tweak once points change with the book and you want fancy CP cost things

Yeah, it'll be a while for me to get a book with faction stratagems on Sisters. :)

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Okay, this is feeling a bit closer:

10 CP at 2k

Battalion (+3 CP)
HQ - Company Commander (Laspistol/Chainsword) - 30
HQ - Lord Commissar (BP/Power Sword) - 55

Ob-Sec Troop - 35 Conscripts - 105
Ob-Sec Troop - 5 Tempestus Scions with 2 Plasma - 59
Ob-Sec Troop - 5 Tempestus Scions with 2 Plasma - 59

Heavy - Manticore with HB - 133


Battalion (+3 CP)
HQ - St Celestine & one Gemini - 200
HQ - Canoness with Power Maul/BP - 49

Fast - 5 Doms with 4 Melta, Sup with Chainsword/BP/Bolter - 118
DT - Repressor with HF/SB - 90
Fast - 5 Doms with 4 Melta, Sup with Chainsword/BP/Bolter - 118
DT - Repressor with HF/SB - 90
Fast - 5 Seraphim, Superior with BP/Power Sword - 59

Ob-Sec Troop - 5 BSS with 2 Storm Bolters, Sup with StormB/BP/Chainsword - 51
DT - Immolator with IF - 103
Ob-Sec Troop - 5 BSS with 2 Storm Bolters, Sup with StormB/BP/Chainsword - 51
DT - Repressor with HF/SB - 90
Ob-Sec Troop - 5 BSS with 2 Storm Bolters, Sup with StormB/BP/Chainsword - 51
DT - Repressor with HF/SB - 90

Heavy - 5 Ret with 4 HB, Sup with Bolter/BP/Chainsword  - 85
Heavy - 5 Ret with 4 HB, Sup with Bolter/BP/Chainsword  - 85

Vanguard (+1 CP)
HQ - Tempestor with Command Rod - 40
Elite - 4 Tempestus Scions with 4 Plasma - 64
Elite - Eversor - 70
Elite - Culexus - 85

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50 minutes ago, InfestedKerrigan said:

Loud

It certainly looks a lot beefier on the table than most of the lists so far.

So, I guess the idea is that I bunker the Conscripts + Chars, the Rets plus Canoness and the Manticore in my DZ.

The Scions x2, Scion Command Squad and Tempestus can be used to snag objective and remove pesky stains.

Celestine and the Seraphim push forward and lock things up.

Dominions rush forward and nuke crap.

Battle sisters slow advance and hold objectives.

Assassins target nasty problems and/or grab objectives.

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18 hours ago, pretre said:

Okay, this is feeling a bit closer:

10 CP at 2k

Battalion (+3 CP)
HQ - Company Commander (Laspistol/Chainsword) - 30
HQ - Lord Commissar (BP/Power Sword) - 55

Ob-Sec Troop - 35 Conscripts - 105
Ob-Sec Troop - 5 Tempestus Scions with 2 Plasma - 59
Ob-Sec Troop - 5 Tempestus Scions with 2 Plasma - 59

Heavy - Manticore with HB - 133


Battalion (+3 CP)
HQ - St Celestine & one Gemini - 200
HQ - Canoness with Power Maul/BP - 49

Fast - 5 Doms with 4 Melta, Sup with Chainsword/BP/Bolter - 118
DT - Repressor with HF/SB - 90
Fast - 5 Doms with 4 Melta, Sup with Chainsword/BP/Bolter - 118
DT - Repressor with HF/SB - 90
Fast - 5 Seraphim, Superior with BP/Power Sword - 59

Ob-Sec Troop - 5 BSS with 2 Storm Bolters, Sup with StormB/BP/Chainsword - 51
DT - Immolator with IF - 103
Ob-Sec Troop - 5 BSS with 2 Storm Bolters, Sup with StormB/BP/Chainsword - 51
DT - Repressor with HF/SB - 90
Ob-Sec Troop - 5 BSS with 2 Storm Bolters, Sup with StormB/BP/Chainsword - 51
DT - Repressor with HF/SB - 90

Heavy - 5 Ret with 4 HB, Sup with Bolter/BP/Chainsword  - 85
Heavy - 5 Ret with 4 HB, Sup with Bolter/BP/Chainsword  - 85

Vanguard (+1 CP)
HQ - Tempestor with Command Rod - 40
Elite - 4 Tempestus Scions with 4 Plasma - 64
Elite - Eversor - 70
Elite - Culexus - 85

So an interesting thought. If I drop the immolator, I can take a total of four BSS squads (same loadout) and load them in the two repressors. Then I can just drop them off. That lets me get my combi-plasma back and beef up the Seraphim a tiny bit

 

10 CP at 2k

Battalion (+3 CP)
HQ - Company Commander (Laspistol/Chainsword) - 30
HQ - Lord Commissar (BP/Power Sword) - 55

Ob-Sec Troop - 35 Conscripts - 105
Ob-Sec Troop - 5 Tempestus Scions with 2 Plasma - 59
Ob-Sec Troop - 5 Tempestus Scions with 2 Plasma - 59

Heavy - Manticore with HB - 133


Battalion (+3 CP)
HQ - St Celestine & one Gemini - 200
HQ - Canoness with Power Maul/BP - 49

Fast - 5 Doms with 4 Melta, Sup with Chainsword/BP/CombiP - 133
DT - Repressor with HF/SB - 90
Fast - 5 Doms with 4 Melta, Sup with Chainsword/BP/CombiP - 133
DT - Repressor with HF/SB - 90
Fast - 7 Seraphim, Superior with BP/Power Sword - 81

Ob-Sec Troop - 5 BSS with 2 Storm Bolters, Sup with StormB/BP/Chainsword - 51
Ob-Sec Troop - 5 BSS with 2 Storm Bolters, Sup with StormB/BP/Chainsword - 51
DT - Repressor with HF/SB - 90
Ob-Sec Troop - 5 BSS with 2 Storm Bolters, Sup with StormB/BP/Chainsword - 51
Ob-Sec Troop - 5 BSS with 2 Storm Bolters, Sup with StormB/BP/Chainsword - 51
DT - Repressor with HF/SB - 90

Heavy - 5 Ret with 4 HB, Sup with Bolter/BP/Chainsword  - 85
Heavy - 5 Ret with 4 HB, Sup with Bolter/BP/Chainsword  - 85

Vanguard (+1 CP)
HQ - Tempestor with Command Rod - 40
Elite - 4 Tempestus Scions with 4 Plasma - 64
Elite - Eversor - 70
Elite - Culexus - 85

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I had not noticed that Plasma Pistols were so cheap for guard/tempestus.

 

10 CP at 2k

Battalion (+3 CP)
HQ - Tempestor with Command Rod - 40
HQ - Lord Commissar (BP/Power Sword) - 55

Ob-Sec Troop - 35 Conscripts - 105
Ob-Sec Troop - 5 Tempestus Scions with 2 Plasma and PP - 64
Ob-Sec Troop - 5 Tempestus Scions with 2 Plasma and PP - 64

Heavy - Manticore with HB - 133
Elite - 4 Tempestus Scions with 4 Plasma - 64

Battalion (+3 CP)
HQ - St Celestine & one Gemini - 200
HQ - Canoness with Power Maul/BP - 49

Fast - 5 Doms with 4 Melta, Sup with Chainsword/BP/CombiP - 133
DT - Repressor with HF/SB - 90
Fast - 5 Doms with 4 Melta, Sup with Chainsword/BP/CombiP - 133
DT - Repressor with HF/SB - 90
Fast - 8 Seraphim, Superior with BP/Power Sword - 92

Ob-Sec Troop - 5 BSS with 2 Storm Bolters, Sup with StormB/BP/Chainsword - 51
Ob-Sec Troop - 5 BSS with 2 Storm Bolters, Sup with StormB/BP/Chainsword - 51
DT - Repressor with HF/SB - 90
Ob-Sec Troop - 5 BSS with 2 Storm Bolters, Sup with StormB/BP/Chainsword - 51
Ob-Sec Troop - 5 BSS with 2 Storm Bolters, Sup with StormB/BP/Chainsword - 51
DT - Repressor with HF/SB - 90

Heavy - 5 Ret with 4 HB, Sup with Bolter/BP/Chainsword  - 85


Vanguard (+1 CP)
HQ - Tempestor with Command Rod - 40
Elite - 4 Tempestus Scions with 4 Plasma - 64
Elite - Eversor - 70
Elite - Culexus - 85

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