eblingus Posted September 2, 2017 Report Share Posted September 2, 2017 " Moving forward we are going to have to continue to make tough choices about what is in the books and what is not. We don't make them lightly and we (as a team) definitely have robust discussion before committing to leaving anything out a book."" That is disappointing, but not surprising. What gets my goat is this whole process of forcing existing players to wait on a glacial release schedule to get the new v4 mid-war army lists. It stinks of GW. Just BF trying to convince impatient players to buy and build a new army while waiting for the lists to be released for the army they REALLY want to play. No thanks. I can wait another year, but really, the last time I did that with a GW game, I never picked it up again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fingolfen Posted September 2, 2017 Report Share Posted September 2, 2017 A lot of people have unfortunately come to the same conclusion. Honestly at this point I'm having a lot of fun playing Team Yankee. There's enough history to keep it interesting, but given the setting is at least partially fictional there is a little less overhead. Sure, there are a lot of pieces of equipment they haven't released yet, but it is a good base game and is fun. And the lack of depth doesn't hurt it at this point. Unfortunately the lack of depth is crippling in FoW since it had that depth less than a year ago... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phyfor88 Posted September 4, 2017 Report Share Posted September 4, 2017 On 8/9/2017 at 9:22 AM, barca said: I feel your pain. The resin model - blister pack US101 M3 75mm GMC - is still available, but a case can be made for including a box set for this, printing unit cards and listing it in the "Fighting First" book, since, in addition to US units in Tunisia: it was still used by Allied units in Sicily, Italy in some US units in France (e.g., at Omaha Beach in the Cannon Platoon of the 2nd Rangers HQ Company (https://forum.axishistory.com//viewtopic.php?t=183338) ) in some Free-French units in France ( https://wiki.warthunder.com/index.php?title=75mm_Gun_Motor_Carriage_M3) and in the Pacific theater from 1941 to 1945 ("M3 Infantry Half-Track 1940–73, By Steven J. Zaloga" ) The 75mm is in the Fighting first. Seems the US got most of thier goodies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fingolfen Posted September 5, 2017 Report Share Posted September 5, 2017 Wrong 75mm, the GMC isn't there.. Confirmed by BF even before the book came out... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phyfor88 Posted September 5, 2017 Report Share Posted September 5, 2017 47 minutes ago, fingolfen said: Wrong 75mm, the GMC isn't there.. Confirmed by BF even before the book came out... The 75mm T30 assault gun platoon is on p33 of fighting first. It is a optional core unit in any US formation so you can have one in each formation. Is your issue that is not the GMC? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fingolfen Posted September 5, 2017 Report Share Posted September 5, 2017 Nope... The T30 is a short barreled pack howitzer on the halftrack chassis... Here's the old one: http://www.flamesofwar.com/Default.aspx?tabid=144&art_id=1394&kb_cat_id=68 The iconic 75mm GMC was a tank destroyer: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZEKE Posted September 6, 2017 Report Share Posted September 6, 2017 I loved using the M3 75mm GMC as tank destroyer in V3 midwar. Sure it was only AT10 same as a sherman but they were like 1/2 the price of M10s and had all the special rules of the M10s. Kinda like Tank Destroyers on a Budget, great for the Low point games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phyfor88 Posted September 6, 2017 Report Share Posted September 6, 2017 Ok I understand now. Yes they cut out the good cheap tank hunters. I was not understanding your issue you just kept saying 75mm GMC, not the tank hunter part. I am decent at the history but no where near excellent esp with the American stuff to many numbers. I was not arguing with you but trying to understand. It is very easy to misunderstand in this medium. You seem to be very annoyed argumentative over this so I will refrain from future comments. You were right I was wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fingolfen Posted September 6, 2017 Report Share Posted September 6, 2017 Sorry phyfor88 - didn't mean to unload on you - the new MW army lists... basically all of them... are a real sore point for me. One of the things that attracted me to FoW in the first place was the depth and richness of the army lists, and that's been chucked in V4. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Souldier3 Posted September 28, 2017 Report Share Posted September 28, 2017 On 8/17/2017 at 12:43 PM, barca said: A quick preview of the UNIT CARDs for the T30 HMC and the M10 GMC at Behind Enemy lines article leads me to think we could mock up an unofficial unit card for our own "club" for the M3 75mm GMC...and just not post it online nor share it outside our group. Movement and armor from T30 HMC UNIT CARD Morale and training from M10 GMC UNIT CARD Get the Gun stats from the North Africa handbook Or this unofficial unit card would work. https://www.flamesofwar.com/hobby.aspx?art_id=5780 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZEKE Posted September 28, 2017 Report Share Posted September 28, 2017 Score! Now I can run a whole company of them !!! BIRCHES!!!! About the same thing I was going to do but I think my point cost was 4pts each making a platoon 16 points, but the did make them AT9 instead. See how it goes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Souldier3 Posted September 29, 2017 Report Share Posted September 29, 2017 I'm currently working on a US battery of towed 105s. I plan to also get a battery of 155s but they are not in Fighting First. Is that because they were not available until later? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barca Posted September 29, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2017 13 hours ago, Souldier3 said: ... I plan to also get a battery of 155s but they are not in Fighting First. Is that because they were not available until later? Yes, they were present, and were likely used in fire missions. See UNITED STATES ARMY IN WORLD WAR II, The Mediterranean Theater of Operations: NORTHWEST AFRICA: SEIZING THE INITIATIVE IN THE WEST, by George F. Howe Here are quotes from that book that refer to US Army 155mm Howitzers and 155mm field guns: p. 338-339 22-23 DEC '42 ... Longstop Hill by the 2d Battalion, Coldstream Guards. After Longstop had been secured, the Coldstreams were to hand it over before dawn to the 1st Battalion, U.S. 18th Infantry (Combat Team 18, 1st ID)...Combat Team 18 of the U.S. 1st Infantry Division moved up from Oran with elements of the U.S. 36th Field Artillery Regiment (155-mm. guns) for the final attack. p. 411 Elements of the 168th Combat Team 2d Battalion, 17th Field Artillery Regiment (155-mm. howitzers), were placed astride the Sidi Bou Zid-Ain Rebaou road at the base of Djebel Ksaira ... (perhaps 12-13 Feb?) p. 466 approx 20-21 FEB '43: The twelve 155-mm. howitzers of the 34th Field Artillery Battalion were emplaced during the early hours of 22 February along the road running west from Thala ... p. 563 Photo of "Loading a 155-mm. Howitzer" p614 23 APR '43: Allotted to the 1st Infantry Division's initial attack were its own three battalions of 105-mm. howitzers and one battalion of 155-mm. howitzers supplemented by the corps artillery of six battalions of 105-mm. (of which five were armored), three battalions of 155-mm. howitzers, and two battalions of 155-mm. field guns (less one battery). The 9th Infantry Division had four battalions of 105-mm. howitzers (of which one was armored) , two battalions of 155-mm. howitzers, and one battery of 155-mm. guns.' p. 616 23 APR '43: For the 47th Infantry's attack toward the Djefna position, the 84th and 185th Field Artillery Battalions, and four 155-mm. guns of Battery C, 36th Field Artillery Battalion, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Souldier3 Posted September 29, 2017 Report Share Posted September 29, 2017 With the V4 changes it may be not worth it. 155s are basically only FP +2 rather than 105's FP +3. Other than that they are the same right? I'm just curious if it will be left out of future books. Hopefully not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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