Andrewc Posted October 17, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 Anyone who runs 18-20 order lists haven any advice for keeping things moving along? I tend to get caught up in making detailed decisions and often take longer than necessary to get through my turn. All of the Morat lists I'm considering are at least 18 orders + impetuous, and I can't afford to be bogged down. Is it a matter of simply playing more games with them to the point where my lizard brain can take over, or are there any specific conventions you use to speed things up? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kremmet Posted October 17, 2017 Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 There are quite a few ways to speed up your play with most of the conventions being organizational in nature. Generally these come down to getting your tokens and such ready during your opponent's turn, but the most important thing I see people failing to do is to plan your attack before your turn begins. It's easy to get loss in your opponent's flow/the flow of conversational play, but in a tournament the most respectful thing you can do is have your [big bad swear word] planned out. With huge order pools, I tend to ignore contingency plans and just go with a general strategy; a sorta macro VS micro discussion. When you have a bunch of tools at your disposal the overall value of each tool is lessened as are the problems caused when they're killed off. As long as you're keeping important details such as range bands and visors up and running, it doesn't really matter who is alive. Troops are a resource and should be viewed as such if you're trying to speed things up. Don't agonize over each model's facing/activation or you'll miss the forest for the trees. Instead of having a perfect web of AROs, focus more on just having AROs in every direction. With that kinda list, you can pretty much always Alert your way out of a surprise and likely be fine with the trade given the total number of resources you have at your disposal. I had a whole thing to say about muscle memory and the concept of winning VS being good at the game, but it's not super pertinent to your question so I'll drop it. The useful detail is that playing the list more is definitely important to being faster which is kinda the point of rote memorization as a whole . 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrewc Posted October 17, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 Thanks Kremmet, great post. As far as general organization, I've got that down; orders ready to go, general plan of what needs to happen this turn, etc. However, I do fall into the trap of looking for that "perfect plan", the one that's going to win me the game, and getting all the details perfect. This leads to choice fatigue as I run through all the possibilities of the decision tree. Too much waffling leads to 1. time waste, and 2. irrational decisions. I'm working on this, but I do worry that having 20 orders on the board will exacerbate the issue. I think what it really comes down to is focusing on doing 1-2 good things to further the plan that turn, and spending the rest of the orders getting ready for ARO/next turn. I like running daturazi because I don't need to have a perfect plan or perfect cover (they can't have it), and I can just run in them up in the most expedient fashion and hit guys with an axe. I'm thinking this will help me get over it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrewc Posted October 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 I received my preordered Pneumarch of the Ur Hegemony and assembled it today. Such a cool model, I can't wait to get some paint on it. And in my (and many others) opinion, make a way better Nexus hacker than the model coming out soon. So I have a new Nexus hacker, and my converted nexus can start doubling as Bit. I've been working on lists for the next tournament at Glimpses. 1 list each for 200, 300, and 400 points poses and interesting challenge. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrewc Posted October 26, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 Played a 200 pt practice game of Supplies against @Caitlandia last night in the garage. I took morats, and it was an uphill battle from the outset. I lost my Yaogat sniper trying to take out Atalanta on the first order of the game. That unit in a good perch is very dominant. I didn't have space for eclipse grenades, so I was limited to lots of cautious movement. I moved up and grabbed some supply boxes, and sacrificed a Zerat to plant D-charges for a classified, and barely managed to take out a proxy mk 5. Her first turn, Achilles started to get in on the action, and it was down hill from there. He waded through my army like a hot knife through butter. She got to practice some new things, such as which ammo to use from a multi-rifle, Martial arts and close combat, and Discover+shoot mines. I got a crippling fear of Aleph. Good times all around! Game ended with my army in retreat and Caitlin up 8-1. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raindog Posted October 26, 2017 Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 Huzzah Caitlin! What a great win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caitlandia Posted October 26, 2017 Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 Super great game! Table was a great setup and went up against a lot of things that were new to me. Learned a lot and got to play Achilles which was oh so satisfying. I bet Andy regrets gifting Achilles to me. :) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrewc Posted November 7, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 7, 2017 Saturday was the No Surrender November escalation tournament at Glimpses in Sherwood. I had been considering playing morats at this event, but ultimately decided to go with Onyx. The three games played were 200 points Supplies, 300 points Safe Area, and 400 points Firefight. Game 1 was against Jacob with his Corregidor. His list had a Mk12 Gecko duo, an aguicile link with Lupe, a clockmaker and a warcor. He spent the first turn moving both links up into my half of the board under the cover of smoke. He spent a lot of orders shuffling around but when the smoke dissipated his two geckos were left exposed to template weapons. My first turn I spent some orders removing both geckos and what turned out to be his LT with my unidron link team. I moved up Bit and Kiss and they grabbed one of the supply boxes, and I moved my Malignos FO out of hidden deployment into position go grab another one next turn. His second turn was in LOL. He grabbed a box and put some guys into suppression fire. My second turn I moved my malignos up to grab a box, and moved my link around to be able to kill most of his aguicil link and grab the third box. 8-0 victory for onyx, with me only losing one unidron FO. Game two was a great, cagey game against Pete's NCA remote spam. He really had an order advantage against me and used it well. I'll let him tell the tale, as I'm sure he has a better memory then I. One major mistake I made that we discussed earlier was to let his CSU get into my backfield which let him take down my Dr. Worm and Umbra Legate hacker. I had opportunites to come out of hidden deployment with malignos and either shoot him or lay down mines, but my thought was I wanted to keep them hidden until the end so I could guarantee holding that quadrant. Another highlight (Pete correct me if I'm wrong) was failing to fail a guts check with a rodok, who was then killed in the following order. If he had stayed alive, I *might* have kept that quadrant and *might* have ended up with a 5-3 victory, instead of the 2-6 loss. Game three was a slug fest against Than and his Russians. There was so much camo I didn't really know how to handle it. He spent turn one picking off some ARO pieces (Noctifer, Maakrep, Q-drone) and moving up the board with his anipode pack and dog soldier. My turn I hit back, removing some of the camo pieces he had exposed, but really not getting much done. It went back and forth like this for three turns. My biggest failure was failing 6? orders to try and spotlight an hermandino. I ended up killing more stuff than him in the end, and we both got a classified, so it was a 6-1 victory for Onyx. I ended up 2nd overall (after Pete's misadventures in game three), and walked away with a sweet poster and a xeodron patch. I'm working on painting some new stuff for Rampage this month. I've got a Cube Jager, a Nexus Hacker (Pneumarch) a Maakrep, and Shrouded on the paint table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrewc Posted November 10, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2017 Things are pretty quiet around here. The fall slump has arrived. But you know what that means? No pressure to do things like "go outside", which also means that we hobbyists get to stay inside where it's warm and dry, and do the things we love to do. This week I finished the base coat and large area airbrushing on my cube jager, nexus, maakrep, M-drone, and krakot. We have friends coming over this weekend so I won't get any of the detail work done, but I've got plenty of time to finish up before rampage. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrewc Posted November 13, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2017 A long time friend of mine who couldn't get into warhammer (too many models) when we were playing it just talked me into splitting red veil with him (twist my arm!). He's really more interested in the painting aspect as something to do in his off season (BLM), but I think we can get him into the game as well. Anybody know anyone who is playing on the east side of the mountains (Bend, Redmond, Prineville)? He's taking the haqqislam side which means I get to start Yu Jing as a second faction. I'm very intrigued by the HI models of this line (like a lot of people). I heard invincible army was coming sometime soon, I may hop on that bandwagon. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kremmet Posted November 14, 2017 Report Share Posted November 14, 2017 On 11/13/2017 at 10:12 AM, Andrewc said: He's taking the haqqislam side which means I get to start Yu Jing as a second faction. I'm very intrigued by the HI models of this line (like a lot of people). I heard invincible army was coming sometime soon, I may hop on that bandwagon. Invincible Army is coming Soon™ so just expect a long wait. That said, the faction I own the most of is YJ and they're fantastic. The HI is definitely a plus, but the big thing YJ brings to the table is that they're not bad at anything and still maintain a few "unfair" units like Kuang Shi, Su-Jian, and Tigers. I eagerly await your thoughts as you delve deeper into YJ. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrewc Posted November 15, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 15, 2017 22 hours ago, Kremmet said: Invincible Army is coming Soon™ so just expect a long wait. That said, the faction I own the most of is YJ and they're fantastic. The HI is definitely a plus, but the big thing YJ brings to the table is that they're not bad at anything and still maintain a few "unfair" units like Kuang Shi, Su-Jian, and Tigers. I eagerly await your thoughts as you delve deeper into YJ. I look at all these units and I've got a bit of the "grass is greener" syndrome. Everything looks so much better. It will take a while to digest and find the right balance I suppose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kremmet Posted November 15, 2017 Report Share Posted November 15, 2017 Ha, yeah, I get it—especially coming from CA. If you really want a sad time, check out Guilang. They're so good that I was convinced that all the CA versions were underpowered before I really looked into it. A camo infiltrator with an FO option that comes with mines and dep. repeaters with WIP 14 for 27 points? Mean stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrewc Posted November 16, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 16, 2017 Yeah that's pretty sweet. I keep making lists of all the good things in YJ, and then I look up and I'm at 500 points and 12 SWC. All things in moderation I guess. This will be a fun challenge! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Rock Posted November 16, 2017 Report Share Posted November 16, 2017 That's how I feel when I play NCA sometimes. Like... I only want a Squalo *and* a Swiss Guard HMG in one list... is that truly too much to ask? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kremmet Posted November 16, 2017 Report Share Posted November 16, 2017 Stupid game, making me finish my meat before I can have any pudding... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrewc Posted November 20, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2017 I got in a practice game with Frazier @Drak on Sat. We played Move, move, move! in preparation for Rampage. My first time really digging into Vanilla CA, coming from Onyx I am really happy with the amount of options. People talk about the flexibility of a vanilla force, but it really was eye-opening. My list: Rampage! ────────────────────────────────────────────────── 9 1 3FRAACTA Spitfire, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 35)MAAKREP TRACKER HMG / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 33)NEXUS Lieutenant Hacker (EI Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Nullifier / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 24)JÄGER Submachine Gun + E/Mitter / Pistol, Monofilament CC Weapon. (0.5 | 18)M-DRONE Combi Rifle, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 17)M-DRONE Combi Rifle, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 17)Treitak Spec-Ops (4 XP) (Doctor, Engineer) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 14)DĀTURAZI Chain Rifle, Grenades, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 14)DĀTURAZI Chain Rifle, Grenades, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 14)KRAKOT RENEGADE 2 Chain Rifles, Grenades / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0 | 14) 4 SWC | 200 Points Open in Infinity Army Frazier was playing USARF, with a 5 man Minuteman link, couple of foxtrot FOs, Grunt, Spec-ops (dr/hacker) and a 112. That link team is a tough nut to crack, so I'm a bit worried. Some notes from the game: 1. I got a lot of crits, and critted some of Frazier's crits, to his frustration. 2. Suppressive fire is awesome and I need to use it more. Humble M-drone in suppression with assisted fire is a dangerous piece. 3. Don't get greedy and try and win the game in 1 turn. HMG's are dangerous and will fight back! 4. Mines are a pain when one is trying to move up the board! My first turn was devastating for Frazier, with my Fraacta tearing apart his link and putting him into LoL. He clawed his way back in turns two and three, with his Minuteman HMG really putting in work. The scoring ended up at 5-4, but it didn't feel that close until a late game push from Frazier to kill 3 of my scoring units and put his foxtrot into my half of the board. Overall a really fun game! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrewc Posted November 25, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 Many of you will seem the completed in person in a couple of weeks, but here are some WIP shots of some new additions. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrewc Posted December 4, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 What a great Saturday! I had a blast at Rampage as always! The food was good, the company was even better. I'm not sure how I even ended with this giant sword, but I'm grateful that I had the opportunity to play this mind-bender of a game, and the opportunity to play with 4 fantastic people. @Twinmasks, hopefully we will continue our friendly feud next month! @Justjokin, it was great to meet you, I hope to see you again very soon. @Jay, a pleasure as always, and your chili was a delight! @Zelaponeepus (I think this is Erik), It was great to play with you again, your army looks amazing! For me, Raindog's Rampage was the perfect bookend to my first year playing Infinity. The 4 games played at last years event were the my first full games of Infinity. I learned a lot then, and I learned a lot this time around too. Let's dig into some thoughts. 1. With the retreat rules not being in effect, there were absolutely no consequences to an overly effective alpha strike. Out of 4 games, I went first 3 times and each time was able to more or less neuter opposing forces with my Fraacta and Makreep, and then complete the objectives at leisure. In ITS games I'll have to be much more careful. 2. Daturazi were amazing as always. Smoke+MSV2 is mean. 3. Cube Jager was very good for me, I really liked having the walk on specialist, although he did kill a civilian, but that more on the civilian than the paramedic. 4. Have I mentioned how much I liked Erik's models, they looked awesome! 5. I took M-Drones to be able to try some stuff that I don't normally use, like sensor. But even when presented with opportunities to use them (I knew something was in hidden deployment), I forgot. Oh well, next time. 6. I got a lot more use out of coordinate orders than I usually do. When playing the unidron link, I tend to save them for reforming the link and rerolling engineering rolls. I was really able to leverage extra movement and suppression fire this time around. 7. Obvious LT Nexus Hacker continues his streak of like 15 games of not getting killed. I'm probably getting overly confident at this point. Finally, I declare 2018 the Year of the Monkey! That's right, I'm shelving Onyx for a bit and will be fielding Morats in the coming year (maybe with a little vanilla CA sprinkled in for good measure, I am digging the new Avatar and the Charontid render looks way better to me than the current one). I'm excited to play a more in your face style of game, with lots of movement and CC. It looks like I'll be able to make the January Adversary ITS. 200 pts, Limited Insertion, with Capture and Protect, Tic-Tac-Toe and Acquisition. This looks like a challenging but fun mix. Thoughts are a list with fast units and AD for C&P, and a more specialist heavy list of for the other two. We'll see in the coming weeks what I come up with. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinmasks Posted December 5, 2017 Report Share Posted December 5, 2017 @Andrewc, it's on like Donkey Kong 😅 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrewc Posted December 5, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2017 Our new wargamer Ashton has arrived ahead of schedule! Everyone is happy and healthy. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raindog Posted December 5, 2017 Report Share Posted December 5, 2017 Awesome! Congrats, but I was hoping for a name like Nexus or Onyx or Morat!😃 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justjokin Posted December 6, 2017 Report Share Posted December 6, 2017 It was great playing against you @Andrewc , thanks for the fun game! I'm sorry for almost destroying your beautiful model with my bowling ball of a tape measure. My entire game was off, from basic coordination on up! :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrewc Posted December 6, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 6, 2017 16 hours ago, Justjokin said: It was great playing against you @Andrewc , thanks for the fun game! I'm sorry for almost destroying your beautiful model with my bowling ball of a tape measure. My entire game was off, from basic coordination on up! :) No worries, those things happen from time to time. minis are meant to be with, not boxed up and put away! no harm no foul! Looking forward to playing again when your game is on! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrewc Posted December 18, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2017 Thought I'd throw out a small update. Amidst the chaos of major life changes, I managed to assemble a E-Drone and a second Oznat (vulcan shotgun). I'll have some time to paint after the holiday, and I've got a bunch of morats lined up ready to go. I've also been working on my lists for the ITS in January. Comments welcome! My Capture and Protect and Acquisition lists will be the same, and a special list for Tic Tac Toe. C&P and Acquisition ────────────────────────────────────────────────── 7 3 6YAOGAT Spitfire / Pistol, CCW. (1.5 | 32)RASYAT Spitfire, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (1.5 | 34)KORNAK Lieutenant Mk12, Light Flamethrower / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 41)OZNAT Combi Rifle + Light Smoke Grenade Launcher / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0 | 18)OZNAT Vulkan Shotgun, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 20)PRETA Chain Rifle / AP CCW. (0 | 7)GAKI AP CCW. (0 | 4)GAKI AP CCW. (0 | 4)ZERAT Hacker (EI Assault Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 25)KRAKOT RENEGADE Submachine Gun, Chest Mine / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0 | 15) 3.5 SWC | 200 Points Open in Infinity Army TTT ────────────────────────────────────────────────── 10 2E-DRONE Combi Rifle / Electric Pulse. (0.5 | 28)ZERAT (Forward Observer) Boarding Shotgun, Grenades, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 22)ZERAT (Forward Observer) Boarding Shotgun, Grenades, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 22)MORAT Lieutenant Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 14)RASYAT Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 28)DĀTURAZI Chain Rifle, Grenades, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 14)DĀTURAZI Chain Rifle, Grenades, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 14)KURGAT (Fireteam: Haris) Operative Group) Mk12, D-Charges, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 24)KURGAT (Operative Group) Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 17)KURGAT (Operative Group) Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 17) 2.5 SWC | 200 Points Open in Infinity Army Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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