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39 minutes ago, Lord Hanaur said:

A Stormsurge on top of one, with the Drones next to them?  Drones can overcome the LOS issues the plane of the floor of it creates sometimes, so that could be a fun idea.  Here's a question.  As part of the Netwrok Fortification...  Could you take 2 Gunrigs and a Landing pad?  i think you could.

 

Yes, they can definitely all be together. Fortification detachment is 1-3.

Comparing the two. Skyshield is substantially cheaper for no clear reason (I believe it's a throwback to old VSG rules prior to the FAQ, which were substantially better rules). I will note that the VSG benefits from it's own inv save, while the skyshield lacks an inv save.

Regarding the skyshield, there are several considerations that would present problems:

1st, the skyshield is huge. There will be games where I'll have to get permission from the event organizer (or oppoent) to move existing terrain features in order to legally place the skyshield. Not as bad as the Fortress of redemption, but it's pretty bad. Similar complications with transportion of the model itself.

2nd, current rules have it become ruins when destroyed. Given that the stormsurge can't legally end their move on the ruins, this could create problems.  Moving is really bad for my army and especially the stormsurge, and the stormsurge is really slow (6" move), so might need to advance in order to leave the skyshield.

 

In both fortifications, there is the additional problem that these provide Inv saves to friend and foe alike. So opponent is further encouraged to take the position that my TAU occupy.

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17 hours ago, Lord Hanaur said:

Took 2nd at a GT, 1st at an RTT with this.  Please note the change:  I did that with Kroot Hounds instead of Stingwings.  The Stingwings are something I am trying NOW, but I did have 24 Kroot Hounds in both these events:

https://www.bestcoastpairings.com/r/hf3xwkj4?fbclid=IwAR1WVnUivrccEHEUgP0iKcrjWJgIcARDE5jj9xpDcj_tivXpKsX43Y2IoQM

and : https://www.bestcoastpairings.com/r/fpycayj1

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++ Brigade Detachment +12CP (T'au Empire) [80 PL, 1334pts] ++ 

T'au Empire Sept Choice: T'au Sept 

Aun'Va [5 PL, 95pts]: Aun'Va, Ethereal Guard, Ethereal Guard 

Cadre Fireblade [2 PL, 42pts]: Markerlight 

Cadre Fireblade [2 PL, 42pts]: Markerlight 

Darkstrider [3 PL, 45pts] 


Kroot Carnivores [3 PL, 50pts]: 10x Kroot 

Kroot Carnivores [3 PL, 50pts]: 10x Kroot 

Strike Team [5 PL, 84pts]: 12x Fire Warrior w/ Pulse Rifle (Shas'ui included)

Strike Team [4 PL, 42pts] 
. Fire Warrior Shas'ui: Pulse rifle 
.5x Fire Warrior w/ Pulse Rifle 

Strike Team [4 PL, 42pts] 
. Fire Warrior Shas'ui: Pulse rifle 
.5x Fire Warrior w/ Pulse Rifle 

Strike Team [4 PL, 42pts] 
. Fire Warrior Shas'ui: Pulse rifle 
. 5x Fire Warrior w/ Pulse Rifle 

Strike Team [4 PL, 42pts] 
. Fire Warrior Shas'ui: Pulse rifle 
. 5x Fire Warrior w/ Pulse Rifle 


Firesight Marksman [1 PL, 25pts]: Markerlight, Pulse pistol 

Firesight Marksman [1 PL, 25pts]: Markerlight, Pulse pistol 

XV95 Ghostkeel Battlesuit [10 PL, 174pts]: 2x Fusion blaster, Fusion collider, Multi-tracker, 2x MV5 Stealth Drone, Shield generator 


Pathfinder Team [5 PL, 107pts] 
. 7x Pathfinder: 7x Markerlight 
. 3x Pathfinder w/ Rail Rifle: 3x Rail rifle 

Pathfinder Team [5 PL, 107pts] 
. 7x Pathfinder: 7x Markerlight 
. 3x Pathfinder w/ Rail Rifle: 3x Rail rifle 

Tactical Drones [4 PL, 60pts]: 6x MV7 Marker Drone 

12 Kroot Hounds [3PL, 48pts]

12 Kroot Hounds [3PL, 48pts]

MV71 Sniper Drones [3 PL, 54pts]: 3x MV71 Sniper Drone 

MV71 Sniper Drones [3 PL, 54pts]: 3x MV71 Sniper Drone 

MV71 Sniper Drones [3 PL, 54pts]: 3x MV71 Sniper Drone 

++ Fortification Network (T'au Empire) [12 PL, 240pts] ++ 

T'au Empire Sept Choice: T'au Sept 

Tidewall Gunrig [6 PL, 120pts]: Supremacy railgun 

Tidewall Gunrig [6 PL, 120pts]: Supremacy railgun 

++ Super-Heavy Auxiliary Detachment (T'au Empire) [20 PL, 397pts] ++ 

KV128 Stormsurge [20 PL, 397pts]: 2x Burst cannon, Advanced targeting system, Cluster rocket system, 4x Destroyer missile, Drone controller, Pulse blastcannon, Shield generator, 2x Smart missile system

No battlesuit commanders at all....and only 1 battlesuit.

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54 minutes ago, Lord Hanaur said:

I've made a hobby out of unorthodox lists I suppose. 

You have. And this is certainly unorthodox. Yeah, blows my mind that this would work. I think I need to go back and relook at somethings.

Anyway, thank you very much for sharing. Definitely helps. 

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5 hours ago, paxmiles said:

You have. And this is certainly unorthodox. Yeah, blows my mind that this would work. I think I need to go back and relook at somethings.

Anyway, thank you very much for sharing. Definitely helps. 

As the saying goes, the proof of the pudding is in the eating.

My pm should detail it all for you.  Just take graph paper out and you can kind of map it out.  Or deploy an army reasonably on a table and proxy it.  Graph paper works well but sometimes theres no substitute for good old fashioned geeking out.

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4 minutes ago, Lord Hanaur said:

As the saying goes, the proof of the pudding is in the eating.

My pm should detail it all for you.  Just take graph paper out and you can kind of map it out.  Or deploy an army reasonably on a table and proxy it.  Graph paper works well but sometimes theres no substitute for good old fashioned geeking out.

I read it. It's pretty interesting. Your list is like 75% denial and 25% offense (no defense in there, just offense and denying things from the enemy). And it's very efficient with your offense.

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Finally noticed that battlescribe sorts detachments alphabetically in your army list. Had just assumed it was the order I created them in. Anywho, list for tomorrow:


++ Outrider Detachment +1CP (T'au Empire) [46 PL, 748pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

T'au Empire Sept Choice: Dal'yth Sept

+ HQ +

Commander in XV8 Crisis Battlesuit [7 PL, 121pts]: 3. A Ghost Walks Among Us, Early warning override, 2x Fusion blaster, Onager gauntlet, Shield generator, Warlord

+ Troops +

Breacher Team [5 PL, 88pts]: MV1 Gun Drone, MV36 Guardian Drone
. 9x Fire Warrior
. Fire Warrior Shas'ui: Pulse blaster

+ Elites +

XV8 Crisis Bodyguards [16 PL, 235pts]: 6x MV1 Gun Drone
. Crisis Bodyguard: Drone controller, Plasma rifle
. Crisis Bodyguard: 2x Fusion blaster
. Crisis Bodyguard: 2x Fusion blaster

+ Fast Attack +

Tactical Drones [4 PL, 60pts]: 6x MV1 Gun Drone

TX4 Piranhas [4 PL, 68pts]
. TX4 Piranha: 2x MV1 Gun Drone, Fusion blaster

TX4 Piranhas [4 PL, 68pts]
. TX4 Piranha: 2x MV1 Gun Drone, Fusion blaster

+ Dedicated Transport +

TY7 Devilfish [6 PL, 108pts]: 2x Smart missile system, Burst cannon

++ Total: [46 PL, 748pts] ++

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Wanted fortifications, but just can't sqeeze everything in. Plus that mission makes me want to be mobile. And then that game against the knight player makes me want more anti-tank. Army is without markers, which may be a mistake.

 

 

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8 hours ago, paxmiles said:

You have. And this is certainly unorthodox. Yeah, blows my mind that this would work. I think I need to go back and relook at somethings.

Anyway, thank you very much for sharing. Definitely helps. 

Keep in mind just because his list works for him doesn't mean a similar one will work for you. 

Ynnari/Craftworld is one of the best armies in the game but I cant play it well because its playstyle just doesn't function for me. 

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5 hours ago, SPaceORK said:

Keep in mind just because his list works for him doesn't mean a similar one will work for you. 

Ynnari/Craftworld is one of the best armies in the game but I cant play it well because its playstyle just doesn't function for me. 

That's so true. His list also has a bunch of models I lack. 

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9 hours ago, paxmiles said:

Finally noticed that battlescribe sorts detachments alphabetically in your army list. Had just assumed it was the order I created them in. Anywho, list for tomorrow:


++ Outrider Detachment +1CP (T'au Empire) [46 PL, 748pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

T'au Empire Sept Choice: Dal'yth Sept

+ HQ +

Commander in XV8 Crisis Battlesuit [7 PL, 121pts]: 3. A Ghost Walks Among Us, Early warning override, 2x Fusion blaster, Onager gauntlet, Shield generator, Warlord

+ Troops +

Breacher Team [5 PL, 88pts]: MV1 Gun Drone, MV36 Guardian Drone
. 9x Fire Warrior
. Fire Warrior Shas'ui: Pulse blaster

+ Elites +

XV8 Crisis Bodyguards [16 PL, 235pts]: 6x MV1 Gun Drone
. Crisis Bodyguard: Drone controller, Plasma rifle
. Crisis Bodyguard: 2x Fusion blaster
. Crisis Bodyguard: 2x Fusion blaster

+ Fast Attack +

Tactical Drones [4 PL, 60pts]: 6x MV1 Gun Drone

TX4 Piranhas [4 PL, 68pts]
. TX4 Piranha: 2x MV1 Gun Drone, Fusion blaster

TX4 Piranhas [4 PL, 68pts]
. TX4 Piranha: 2x MV1 Gun Drone, Fusion blaster

+ Dedicated Transport +

TY7 Devilfish [6 PL, 108pts]: 2x Smart missile system, Burst cannon

++ Total: [46 PL, 748pts] ++

Created with BattleScribe

 

Wanted fortifications, but just can't sqeeze everything in. Plus that mission makes me want to be mobile. And then that game against the knight player makes me want more anti-tank. Army is without markers, which may be a mistake.

 

 

Minor change. Breaking up Breacher squad into two units of 5 because I don't have the leadership support that I normally bring. 

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A few random thoughts regarding TAU.

First, paint scheme is developing nicely. Ditched the silver and switched to my "bone" colors, which is 3 stage bit that I use for skulls and such in other armies, but I finally noted that TAU don't really have that, and it looks better than the silver.

Second, I'm certain the trick to the Stormsurge is fielding them in duplicate. That said, this TAU army is by far the most hampered army with regards to the detachment requirements. 2, I want 2 stormsurges. That's two detachments. No armiger equivalent here, so I have to either dedicate half my points to Lords of War, or I'm limited to a single one. And then the Fortification detachment can't be fielded due to the 3 detachments per 2k limit.

Third, really tempted to add Farsight Enclaves to the list, somehow. They have a nice set of abilities, plus Dal'yth doesn't really do mobile very well and there are certainly units I want to field that need to be mobile. Though doing so will definitely screw with my detachments...might have to ditch the stormsurge for now.

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Weird, battlescribe was giving me a weird validation issue regarding Ethereals in a Farsight Enclaves Detachment, so I checked the codex. Not in the Sept info and not in the Ethereal entry, but in an unmarked paragraph on the bottom left of page 88 of the TAU codex, says Farsight Enclaves can't take Ethereals.

Though apparently they can take Kroot and Vespids without issue.

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Hmm. Once again, the most "hampered by the detachment rules" army in the game.

Farsight Enclaves....I have a limit of 1 BATTLESUIT COMMANDER per detachment, the standard duplicate unit entry limit per army, and only 1 other type of legal HQ selection (Cadre Fireblades).

Lol.

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Maybe try this tonight:


++ Outrider Detachment +1CP (T'au Empire) [29 PL, 464pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

T'au Empire Sept Choice: Farsight Enclaves

+ HQ +

Cadre Fireblade [2 PL, 42pts]: Markerlight

+ Elites +

XV8 Crisis Battlesuits [15 PL, 226pts]: 6x MV1 Gun Drone
. Crisis Shas'ui: 2x Fusion blaster
. Crisis Shas'ui: 2x Fusion blaster
. Crisis Shas'vre: Drone controller, Plasma rifle

+ Fast Attack +

Tactical Drones [4 PL, 60pts]: 6x MV1 Gun Drone

TX4 Piranhas [4 PL, 68pts]
. TX4 Piranha: 2x MV1 Gun Drone, Fusion blaster

TX4 Piranhas [4 PL, 68pts]
. TX4 Piranha: 2x MV1 Gun Drone, Fusion blaster

++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (T'au Empire) [15 PL, 280pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

T'au Empire Sept Choice: Dal'yth Sept

+ HQ +

Commander in XV8 Crisis Battlesuit [7 PL, 121pts]: 3. A Ghost Walks Among Us, Early warning override, 2x Fusion blaster, Onager gauntlet, Shield generator, Warlord

Ethereal [2 PL, 45pts]: Honour blade

+ Troops +

Strike Team [2 PL, 38pts]
. Fire Warrior Shas'ui: Markerlight, Pulse rifle
. 4x Fire Warrior w/ Pulse Rifle

Strike Team [2 PL, 38pts]
. Fire Warrior Shas'ui: Markerlight, Pulse rifle
. 4x Fire Warrior w/ Pulse Rifle

Strike Team [2 PL, 38pts]
. Fire Warrior Shas'ui: Markerlight, Pulse rifle
. 4x Fire Warrior w/ Pulse Rifle

++ Total: [44 PL, 744pts] ++

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8 hours ago, SPaceORK said:

Keep in mind just because his list works for him doesn't mean a similar one will work for you. 

Ynnari/Craftworld is one of the best armies in the game but I cant play it well because its playstyle just doesn't function for me. 

That could, I suppose, be said of every force.  I suppose you never know until you try.  Time and inclination are the only limiting factors.  Time is the enemy.

 

 

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27 minutes ago, paxmiles said:

Hmm. Once again, the most hampered by the detachment rules army in the game.

Farsight Enclaves....I have a limit of 1 BATTLESUIT COMMANDER per detachment, the standard duplicate unit entry limit per army, and only 1 other type of legal HQ selection (Cadre Fireblades).

Lol.

They are Renegades.  its kind of a role playing choice to play them.

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8 minutes ago, Lord Hanaur said:

They are Renegades.  its kind of a role playing choice to play them.

I get it. Just amused that GW didn't see that as something they'd need to fix with regards to adding more HQ units. TAU really needs a 4th generic HQ anyway, but especially if they are going to include Sept that can't even field one of those 3.

I feel that TAU is really missing an HQ that exists between the BS2+/WS3+ of the Battlesuit commanders and the BS4+/WS5+ of everything else. Like a Battlesuit sub-commander.

 

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A bit better:

 


++ Outrider Detachment +1CP (T'au Empire) [31 PL, 455pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

T'au Empire Sept Choice: Farsight Enclaves

+ HQ +

Commander in XV8 Crisis Battlesuit [7 PL, 121pts]: 3. A Ghost Walks Among Us, Early warning override, 2x Fusion blaster, Onager gauntlet, Shield generator, Warlord

+ Elites +

XV8 Crisis Battlesuits [14 PL, 158pts]: 4x MV1 Gun Drone
. Crisis Shas'ui: 2x Flamer
. Crisis Shas'ui: 2x Flamer
. Crisis Shas'vre: Drone controller, Plasma rifle

+ Fast Attack +

Tactical Drones [2 PL, 40pts]: 4x MV1 Gun Drone

TX4 Piranhas [4 PL, 68pts]
. TX4 Piranha: 2x MV1 Gun Drone, Fusion blaster

TX4 Piranhas [4 PL, 68pts]
. TX4 Piranha: 2x MV1 Gun Drone, Fusion blaster

++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (T'au Empire) [15 PL, 291pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

T'au Empire Sept Choice: Dal'yth Sept

+ HQ +

Commander in XV8 Crisis Battlesuit [7 PL, 132pts]: 4x Missile pod

Ethereal [2 PL, 45pts]: Honour blade

+ Troops +

Strike Team [2 PL, 38pts]
. Fire Warrior Shas'ui: Markerlight, Pulse rifle
. 4x Fire Warrior w/ Pulse Rifle

Strike Team [2 PL, 38pts]
. Fire Warrior Shas'ui: Markerlight, Pulse rifle
. 4x Fire Warrior w/ Pulse Rifle

Strike Team [2 PL, 38pts]
. Fire Warrior Shas'ui: Markerlight, Pulse rifle
. 4x Fire Warrior w/ Pulse Rifle

++ Total: [46 PL, 746pts] ++

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1 hour ago, paxmiles said:

I get it. Just amused that GW didn't see that as something they'd need to fix with regards to adding more HQ units. TAU really needs a 4th generic HQ anyway, but especially if they are going to include Sept that can't even field one of those 3.

I feel that TAU is really missing an HQ that exists between the BS2+/WS3+ of the Battlesuit commanders and the BS4+/WS5+ of everything else. Like a Battlesuit sub-commander.

 

I would LOVE to see a generic stealth suit HQ.

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