michaels Posted January 20, 2017 Report Share Posted January 20, 2017 As for cards, I am also not a big fan, but this season is a bit of an experiment with the new rules they are putting out. If they end up being way to powerful and deciding games, we can discuss getting rid of them. That is the same for a lot of the new stuff.For inducements it's not any different than before but being forced to take them just because is a real game changer. Not a fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weav Posted January 20, 2017 Report Share Posted January 20, 2017 It is my intention that they are used in the Super League, but with all the excitement tonight many players forgot. For the Super League only, I may officially decide that both players must agree to not use them...that seems fair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jollyork Posted January 20, 2017 Report Share Posted January 20, 2017 Don't wuss out - the cards are fun and should stay. Also, the MVP allocation for the Premiership should use the new DZ rules. It's lame using the old way! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaels Posted January 20, 2017 Report Share Posted January 20, 2017 Don't wuss out - the cards are fun and should stay.A randomly drawn event should not be > positioning & risk management. Cards are stupid. At least update it to where both coaches have to agree to use them instead of disagree. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weav Posted January 20, 2017 Report Share Posted January 20, 2017 A randomly drawn event should not be > positioning & risk management. Cards are stupid. At least update it to where both coaches have to agree to use them instead of disagree.As someone who is poor at both positioning and risk management, I agree. The cards should be fun and quirky, and not directly impact the actual game. I want to win, but I want to win on my merit, not because I received an advantage due to a lucky draw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jollyork Posted January 20, 2017 Report Share Posted January 20, 2017 What is a "fun and quirky" card that would not impact the game? Why would anyone bother using those kind of cards? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaels Posted January 20, 2017 Report Share Posted January 20, 2017 The fluff on them is fun & quirky. Some of the effects on them are way too much compared to others & definitely game changing. It's fine as an inducement as the idea behind that is to give a handicap to the lesser valued team. For two teams of equal value I'm not a fan as there's the possibility a card hands the game to one of them & it's too random. Might as well just have a roll-off & the higher number wins. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weav Posted January 20, 2017 Report Share Posted January 20, 2017 Perhaps significantly game changing would be a better way to do it. Touchdown stoppers are stupid. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaels Posted January 20, 2017 Report Share Posted January 20, 2017 Am I supposed to be using this rule? "League Trophy re-roll that can be used until a new Champ is determined in the following season." Cause I didn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burk Posted January 20, 2017 Report Share Posted January 20, 2017 A randomly drawn event should not be > positioning & risk management. Cards are stupid. At least update it to where both coaches have to agree to use them instead of disagree. its a throw back to 3rd ed, where cards were part of the game. Im cool with it the way it is. you may get some TD stoppers, they may get some.....randomizes it a bit. Im cool with it.. I am not surprised you dont like it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaels Posted January 20, 2017 Report Share Posted January 20, 2017 its a throw back to 3rd ed, where cards were part of the game. Im cool with it the way it is. you may get some TD stoppers, they may get some.....randomizes it a bit. Im cool with it.. I am not surprised you dont like it. I'm not sure why I would like "Oh, you're doing well but I have this card so now you lose". They already made a game that's 70% chance, 30% skill. It's called Dungeonbowl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blustorm Posted January 20, 2017 Report Share Posted January 20, 2017 If you think the cards are way too powerful in this edition, you should have seen some of the ones in 3rd. Anyone remember Bad Habits (-1 team reroll permanently) or Flu Bug (D3 randomly selected players are out for the entire game)? PS I don't think cards should be allowed in tournaments, but I think they are perfectly appropriate for league play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaels Posted January 20, 2017 Report Share Posted January 20, 2017 If you think the cards are way too powerful in this edition, you should have seen some of the ones in 3rd. Anyone remember Bad Habits (-1 team reroll permanently) or Flu Bug (D3 randomly selected players are out for the entire game)? PS I don't think cards should be allowed in tournaments, but I think they are perfectly appropriate for league play. Bad Habits is a normal inducement in both versions of the Focus/Cyanide games. It's not nearly as game-breaking as some of the other cards. To be clear: I'm not saying the cards should be removed. I'm saying that, outside of inducements, if one coach doesn't want to use them & the other does then they shouldn't be used. Same as illegal procedures. The current wording implies that they're mandatory unless both coaches opt to not use them. This is aside from the implication that one of the two coaches is required to pony up another $80+ to purchase the new edition that comes with the cards. That's a completely separate situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
savion47 Posted January 20, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2017 Am I supposed to be using this rule? "League Trophy re-roll that can be used until a new Champ is determined in the following season." Cause I didn't. Yes, sorry I forgot to reach out to you directly. I got distracted by the job hunting process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weav Posted January 20, 2017 Report Share Posted January 20, 2017 Michael, no cards at Ordo Bowl '17! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaels Posted January 20, 2017 Report Share Posted January 20, 2017 Michael, no cards at Ordo Bowl '17! I'll be there giving free wins! For some reason I'm awful at the res tourney format. :D 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frostitute Posted January 20, 2017 Report Share Posted January 20, 2017 I love 3rd edition cards 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burk Posted January 20, 2017 Report Share Posted January 20, 2017 ag I love 3rd edition cards agree....they were the best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burk Posted January 20, 2017 Report Share Posted January 20, 2017 Bad Habits is a normal inducement in both versions of the Focus/Cyanide games. It's not nearly as game-breaking as some of the other cards. To be clear: I'm not saying the cards should be removed. I'm saying that, outside of inducements, if one coach doesn't want to use them & the other does then they shouldn't be used. Same as illegal procedures. The current wording implies that they're mandatory unless both coaches opt to not use them. This is aside from the implication that one of the two coaches is required to pony up another $80+ to purchase the new edition that comes with the cards. That's a completely separate situation. They are part of the rules now, so opt out should only be if both agree....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaels Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 They are part of the rules now, so opt out should only be if both agree.......No wizards is part of the rules. So is MVP choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jollyork Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 I'm already on the "include" side, but even if I wasn't, I think all of the new edition rules should be used for at least one season before deciding whether they should be included in future seasons. In 8 games, you will likely be saved by cards as often as hurt by them, just like the Kick-Off Table. So I will continue to whine that the other new rules, like MVP, should have been included along with the cards! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burk Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 No wizards is part of the rules. So is MVP choice. Well, I guess its good to be the commissioner then. I for one welcome our new Nuffle overlord. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
savion47 Posted January 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 Pleasant Pheasant Pluckers v. Crookback 13'ers Live right now! https://www.facebook.com/groups/ordofanaticus/permalink/1335690006493041/?comment_id=1335711609824214¬if_t=group_comment_reply¬if_id=1485028729894882 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
savion47 Posted January 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 Looks like we still have three round 1 games to complete (one being mine). Frosty and I will be getting our game in tomorrow at Game Night. Hoping to see some of you there! Don't forget you are allowed to play Friendly matches! If you have any questions on how to schedule a Friendly on OrdoBowl.com please feel free to ask here of shoot me a PM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vraeden Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 Since you mentioned it, how do we schedule a friendly on OrdoBowl.com? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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