Dark Trainer

1 hour ago, Torg said:

I don't care for over explaining by an author/creator in any medium actually....

 

Is it YA or NOT? does it matter? The show feels slightly CW (weak acting / shaky if not typical fantasy plot - pretty faces - a bit of off the shelf CGI) - I am waiting to be amazed by the show... (not holding my breath) - but I will enjoy it for what it is and not what it isn't...

I think you hit on 2 points I hadn't thought about.

1. First, Jordan is dead. And thus cannot guide book to screen like game of thrones had. They had the author literally helping while producing (even slowed the release of his final books). This has to be part of it.
2. And I TOTALLY agree. I get the feeling of the old Xena or Hercules TV series' rather than game of thrones. You can tell they're trying, but it just comes across disjointed.

Oh, and for good measure 🤣: 

3 hours ago, Brother Glacius said:

Stay close? Other than the four kids being in the two rivers, nothing else has matched. Literally. The show really should say, "Inspired by Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time" because it is not his story at all. At this pace, they won't ever go to Caemlyn. This story is actually taking them to Tar Valon. I'm watching out of pure curiosity now. They have gone so far afield of the books that I really don't know what to expect.

And I don't really consider that a good thing. It has become train wreck tv for me. That can certainly be entertaining...but it is also a bit painful to see this aberration play out.

How interesting can you make a 'walk' to the white tower with long term character development? Really, there's not much there, hell I'll bet the middle books are brought into ONE season, because there just wasn't much content more than talking about wind, trees, and the environment. Another, look at the cursed city and the dagger went for many chapters and detail, honestly, it would be 'wasted' once you put it to TV. Same with the ferry town, etc. There's just not much interest there, or long term character development. However, they DID miss a long term development aspect in the two rivers (way too brief).

The same is for many shows. So yes, it's close. The dagger Mat gets, sure there's more to it. But you don't need to tip the scales yet, reading does, but a TV series doesn't portray the message the same. When you have visual queues, you don't need to speak everything. 

That said, I said 'close', I didn't mean 90% or hit it accurately. But it's not a miss by any means.

I get the feeling it comes down to eliminate the fat and try to stick to the main points. This is the 'problem' and the miss. However, it's probably budget too. Who wants to pay millions for some fluff pieces that hold no long term value.

So far, I'm not hating it. Not overjoyed either. But you have to imagine how much detail Jordan put into the books, explaining leaves, wind, and all sorts of things that made the books drag on (his style). That said, anyone who hasn't watched the show might be lost. They didn't do a good job introducing the source of magic, histories, and other things the books lead up to.

However, I appreciate they're trying to stay close. The 4th episode I enjoyed a lot. But again, without reference of the books, I feel a watcher could get lost.

On 5/28/2021 at 8:25 AM, jollyork said:

BORDER PRINCES

You spelled 'Princess' wrong. 🤣

I keed, I keed....I make a little joke. 🥴

3 hours ago, Ish said:

The WOW clubhouse fills the niche, but let’s face it… It’s also got that Cluttered Musty Basement Aesthetic, which while an authentic part of geek culture isn’t exactly the most broadly appealing. Something that was more, well, “upscale” might not be the right word, but it’s all I can think of. 

However, WoW's lease price is right. Keeps membership and game night costs very cheap. As much space as we have, compared to sqft elsewhere would be staggering (especially in Portland cost of living standards). It does help that WoW is also run by volunteers.

Back on topic, 

Interested to see how this works out. I would think paying 'more' for a venue rather than buying product would be a wash? I mean, if I have to pay $10 to get into a place to play (to cover the lease), then I'd rather buy products from a store more frequently. Most of these higher end setups also sell products, drinks, and such? I get the feeling there's a cost comparison between store or your venue. I could see certain game types suffer from this. Just walking into a game store to play a 3hr session of D&D wouldn't help a store much, even if you bought a few minis. Trying to be open minded, but seems like this idea might cater to a small market, and that might hurt?

3 hours ago, Ish said:

Aladin the Paladin. 

I had a Dwarf Cleric named, Grum Pea  😁

44 minutes ago, necrontyr said:

No thank you. CP rerolls are fun and dramatic, characters making things fight better around them is fun, it's just part of 8th/9th now and a lot of people enjoy it. If it's not your cup of tea though, feel free to make house rules with your opponent before hand. No one says you can't have fun with your game the way you like. 

Agreed. This is why Malifaux gained a HUGE following. It changed the face of miniature wargaming because a limited amount of control could be had. Being able to cheat fate a 'little' really made the complete randomness controllable. Per turn you can only CP reroll once, so it's a balanced 'pick' the dice you choose to reroll. It's not really abusable. No one (not even pure casual players) like 100% random.

Now, if a unit already allows re-rolls, there were rules to prevent re-rolling re-rolls in the rulebook.

So long story short, no one likes that bad night where all you roll is 1's and it just goes sideways. You PAY for that re-roll. Personally my CP's are better used in normal strategies than a re-roll.

2 hours ago, Salty Monkey said:

no worries you can always jump in when you're ready

Oh, i'm READY. Something about responsibility, life and crap. I'd much rather be nerding 🤓

19 hours ago, Salty Monkey said:

Im sure someone will be there to help you get through it

 

So sad, I had finally hoped to 40k again, yet busy tonight! I'll get a game in someday.

4 minutes ago, Salty Monkey said:

battle scribe works with necrons, crusade is a bit different but if you make a 500pt list it you can get the hang of it and make the rest of your force after you get a feel for it

 

I have the new Necron codex if you want it...brand new & still smells like victory. I can bring it in next week and it's yours if you want it

...this is not a bribe just a temptation 😉

So if I make a 500pt list, that would work for crusade (at least in the short run)? I literally haven't looked at anything GW in a while. I 'own' the newest Necron codex, but still has plastic wrap on it, ever even read it yet. 🥴

I would be needing some SERIOUS hand holding back into the fold. Assuming folks are up for that.

I 'really' need to get back to throwing dice. This seems like a good way to get my first 40k game in 2 years (haven't even played the new edition yet).

Heck, not even sure I can make a 500pt Necron force, not knowing what they all do yet.

Is battlescribe still viable, or what online army builder works well? I have the codex, just hate paper/pencil.

But, tomorrow, eh?

6 hours ago, Lyraeus said:

I play Brian, he isn't a hard core gamer BUT he wants to improve and gets better with every game. That makes me want to play him more. It's fun to watch his growth and what he will come up with next.

 

To watch that mixmash of fun playstyle plus the desire to be a better player. Not just for competitive play or anything but for normal games as well.

What I mean is, you have to decide for yourself what you want from a game. Regardless of the outcome, remaining sportsmanly is critical. You claim that's hard for you sometimes. That's just a personal thing rather than a community/opponent aspect.

Being open to all players will expand your horizons is what I'm saying. 

If you are open to both sides, then I don't see a reason for the thread, as it would mean you already understand it.

On 8/13/2021 at 2:13 PM, Lyraeus said:

Sadly for me, that would not be a fun game...

And this is your final answer. If playing someone who isn't hardcore looking to stomp faces isn't your style, then you should avoid those matches. Simple. You know your style. The consequence will be fewer opponents as you're unable to interact with 100% of the audience, but at least you'll enjoy it more. It's that simple.

Accepting players for who they are and being a sportsmanly player is huge and what the Ordo mentality is about. This person can be ROFLstomping hard lists or squishiness all the way. @Ish said it well, “socially awkward but friendly” versus “socially awkward and an asshole.” These are things people have to do for themselves, no one can tell or do it for you.

10 minutes ago, Ish said:

To me, the issue is almost never a question of rules, units, special abilities, or whatever. It’s almost always a question of the artistes of the players.

If someone plays with a sense of good sportsmanship, friendliness, and fair play then it doesn’t matter if the list they are using is the latest and greatest tournament winning curbstomp bomb or a suboptimal pile of poo. Contrariwise, if someone plays with a bad attitude, poor sportsmanship, or cheats… Well, it could be a list whose fluffiness is as pure as the driven snow.

We don’t play against models or lists. We play with people. 

This is a good point. I've played people who have heavy competitive lists (better than mine), but they know when to let up on the gas pedal. And I've played folks who wipe me off the table by turn 3 and don't care. Same with people who clearly communicate intentions, vs those who hide dice rolls and have a perceived impropriety, etc.

I think this states the Ordo Philosophy best. Does the person have people skills or not.

15 minutes ago, Constyx said:

And to be frank, it starts to feel like a job which is one experience I don’t want when playing games hahaha.

 

Best point ever! Games/hobbies=fun.

I don't need stress and more 'work', I have enough of that at work where I get paid for that stress. Games are where I go to de-stress.

Playing World of Warcraft back in the day, trying to get 40 peeps to raid and all that, finally realized. I'm done...this is not fun, the treadmill is not healthy for me, it's responsibility and work. Games are not supposed to be that, in my opinion (but that's just me).

Fair question, this also comes down to different people and what different people want from the hobby. There's really 2 extremes to this. And most falls somewhere in the middle usually.

1. One side are folks that LOVE GT style tournaments, love the challenge of making the most synnergy strategized and competitive lists. My Nephew is like this, he plays Magic and has won MANY tournaments, because the deck building synnergy and challenge is what he loves. He makes VERY competitive decks (win at all costs).
   1. Another example would be how I love my Necron destroyers, so I could bring 3 squads of 5 and maximize the leaf blower effect they can bring.
   2. The short answer here is this person is in it to win it. Period.
2. Then there are the 'beer and pretzels' folks that love to socialize, interact, hang out, and just overall have a good time laughing, etc. 
   1. This person might choose models because they LOOK cool (and on paper might suck really bad). They tend to focus on the painting side of the hobby, enjoy casual play more, etc.

The Ordo philosophy is we want BOTH players to have fun, laugh, and enjoy themselves. You put these two people together and the 2nd type is going to get STOMPED and that's never fun unless player 1 scales back a bit. So it's all about understand what you and your opponent both want. If you're both type 1, go for it. Pre-arrange ahead of time competitive list is the goal, and go from there. Does your opponent have a soft list, total newb, or just doesn't strategize well? If so, this is where I 2 squads of those spammed Necron Destroyers and make it fun for them too. In all honestly, playing a softer list offers me more challenge because I have to work harder at the win too (I do love that feeling).

My final thought if I were to simplify it, don't spam models unless your intent is to go full competitive. Certain models are just STRONG, a single HQ isn't going to be a problem, It's when I build those 15 destroyers around a 5++ bubble that also recovers wounds/models and more they become a tough nut to crack. The deathstar approach.

It's not just about rolling dice to win, it's about having FUN for everyone involved. Know your opponent, and what they'd like to get from the game.

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13 hours ago, Ish said:

So… How ‘bout that Grimdark Future?

Never seen that, interesting way to get newbs into something 'simple'. I wonder how it plays. 🤔

36 minutes ago, Brother Glacius said:

I actually tried to make it today to a BB for a chance at an RTX card. However, even at 5am, the line went around the store so I figured it was a no hope scenario. Just curious if anyone knew how many cards best buy actually got.

I've scored a 3060 for my computer and a 1660 for my son's. Just go here and sign up for product notifications of the ones you want. They restock Tuesday's around 6pm. B stock is also a great value too if they have some.

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On 3/28/2021 at 10:57 AM, InfestedKerrigan said:

Spoon!

I don't see a picture of one, therefore "There is no spoon"  😁

3 hours ago, VonVilkee said:

Saw a Camacho for president window sticker recently.

HAH, he's got my vote! 🤣