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    PatrickNolen reacted to Ish in 28mm Napoleonics   
    As a general rule, historical wargame figs tend to be far cheaper than sci-fi or fantasy games (especially compared to Games Workshop). But the multi-based 6 mm proxies for 28 mm route is also (in theory) a heck of a lot cheaper too.
    Compare and contrast something like the Perry Bros. British Line Infantry BH1 plastic boxed unit and the Baccus British Line Infantry NBR01 pewter unit.
    The Perry 28 mm figs give you forty men for £20.00 (about $25 yankee bucks); the Baccus 6 mm figures give you ninety-six figures which if mounted four-to-a-base would yield 24 bases... But it only costs £6.00 (about $7.50 USD).
    Now, as a very grossly over-generalized statement, during the Napoleonic Wars a line infantry battalion would be composed of ten companies. The whole battalion would be around 1,000 men (excluding officers, musicians, etc.) and each company was supposed to be around 100 men strong (although casualties, illness, and so forth always meant there was some variation here).
    Doing some very rough “back of the napkin math,” if we wanted to represent a single company on the table using the Perry figures, we’re looking at about $75... with the Baccus figures, we’re looking at $7.50.
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    PatrickNolen reacted to jesselowe in 28mm Napoleonics   
    Napoleonics, like Warhammer, are their own sub-hobby, really.
    I'll second everything Ish has said, with one caveat: massed battles in Napoleonics tend to mean well in excess of 100 figures a side, even in 28mm. Black Powder, for example, defaults to a standard unit of about 24 infantry figures to give a 200-250mm frontage, and further assumes that each side fields around 8-12 units, and then that you've a table that can accommodate maneuver with that much lead on the table. (This is why I use 6mm for massed battle...) That said, Black Powder is also an extremely flexible rule set! They assume you'll be tinkering with the rules to fit your desired outcome and your own constraints. The only thing I try to avoid when I build units is the impression of a couple of men taking a flag for a walk...
    If you want to dip into the period somewhere between hundreds and hundreds of figures and sharp skirmishes, I think you should look at Sharp Practice from Too Fat Lardies (40-60 to a side). 
    In any case, I've played some glorious games at this scale, both at Enfilade and at our local Ambuscade convention. (Enfilade is sadly canceled this year, thanks to COVID.) One standout is anything put on by Alyssa Faden.
    I'm sticking with 6mm for massed battles, but if you decide to dip in at a smaller level, I'd be happy to paint up a few Prussians or some such and join in.
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    PatrickNolen reacted to Ish in 28mm Napoleonics   
    I haven’t gotten to play Napoleonics, ever, but have always loved the period. Finding a group of likeminded nerds just never seemed to happen... But I do try to keep an eye on that side of the hobby.
    By all accounts, it seems that Black Powder from Warlord Games is the most popular and most approachable wargame for massed battle (50+ troops) that covers 1700 – 1900 CE. The basic rules are modified slightly for various eras: French and Indian Wars, American Revolution, Napoleonics, American Civil War, Colonial Africa, etc. It was written by Rick Priestly and Jervis Johnson, who were basically the creative force behind the titles that put Games Workshop on the map (Rick Priestly also wrote the WWII game, Bolt Action, for Warlord Games alongside Alessio Cavatore another former GW alum).
    Muskets and Tomahawks from Studio Tomahawk is an excellent game for skirmishes (10-20 troops) in the same period. The game has a second edition due out soon, that will follow the same core rulebook modified by era books. The French and Indian Wars and the American Revolution will be the first book, Napoleonics will be the second.
    There are a lot of Napoleonic games on the market, but these two would probably be the best place to start. If you can drum up some other interested parties, I’d love to join.
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    PatrickNolen reacted to Ish in 28mm Napoleonics   
    One thing I’ve always been keen to try is to use 28 mm rules, but with 6 mm scale figures but with multiple figs mounted to a single base.
    My original idea was to use this for Saga Age of Crusades, which is normally played with 28 mm scale individual infantry figures on 20 mm square bases. I was thinking of putting four 6 mm figs on the same base.
    Similarly, you’d “shrink” the terrain to match. So what the rules call a “small house” would be a collection of huts and barns with the same footprint. A small stream becomes a large river. And so forth.
    So you would get the visual appearance of two grand armies clashing over a sweeping landscape, but you wouldn’t need to go through the expense of building such forces in 28 mm and it wouldn’t take eight hours to play a game.
    (There are also a lot of people who play 28 mm games in 15 mm scale; they simply chop any measurements given in the rulebook in half: 28 mm soldiers move 6”? Our 15 mm soldiers will move 3”. Nice and simple.)
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    PatrickNolen reacted to jesselowe in 28mm Napoleonics   
    I think I've actually seen someone do that 6mm Saga setup. Heck if I can remember where, though.
    I have played Bolt Action and Chain of Command with 15mm. That actually works very well with standard 28mm measurements; the ground scale looks a lot closer to figure scale.
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