Ish 5,841 Posted March 26 Report Share Posted March 26 44 minutes ago, InfestedKerrigan said: I raise you the New 52, post crisis. I was specifically referring to the Marvel Cinematic Universe and the DC Extended Universe film franchises. Falling down the rabbit hole of comics continuity is guaranteed to drive us more insane than reading the Necronomicon in Wonderland while doing LSD. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
InfestedKerrigan 5,276 Posted March 26 Report Share Posted March 26 42 minutes ago, Ish said: I was specifically referring to the Marvel Cinematic Universe and the DC Extended Universe film franchises. Falling down the rabbit hole of comics continuity is guaranteed to drive us more insane than reading the Necronomicon in Wonderland while doing LSD. You mean you don't go caving on a bakers dozen of blotter? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ish 5,841 Posted March 27 Report Share Posted March 27 Just a half dozen. A man’s got to know his limitations. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Munkie 2,018 Posted March 27 Report Share Posted March 27 10 hours ago, Duckman said: And see, this is the same problem I have with JL in a nutshell. Batman *can* fight and kill Superman. Why the heck can he *not* fight Steppenwolf? Batman was able to fight Superman because he was familiar with him and was able to exploit his weaknesses. Batman is a master tactician. He wasn't capable of beating him though. Superman died by compromising his own invulnerability to kill a creature of similar power and with the same weakness. ZSJL Batman was constantly in over his head. He brought out all of his best tech and it was consistently overmatched. Cyborg had to get the Nightcrawler going after it got beat, and the Batmobile got destroyed by grunts. He says over and over again in the movie that his best way to contribute is to unite powerful beings and his wealth. 10 hours ago, Duckman said: Aside from GRR Martin, *nobody* writes stuff where the outcome is indeterminate (and George's writing is so bad that the only logic to when characters die is "I was bored of him" so that's not an improvement). I mean, let's get serious... DCU is the one we were talking about 6 months ago with Wonder Woman '84. Did you have any questions about the outcome there? Was there something I missed where Maxwell Lord wished to be invincible and able to take punches from an Amazon? I won't defend WW'84. It was a very stupid movie. You can see my review of it at the top of the previous page. I'm not here to emphatically state that DCU is "better" than MCU, though I do prefer it. I appreciate that they experiment with ideas rather than take a formula and repeat it 20+ times. MCU plays it very, very safe. It is a cash machine, not an artist's sandbox. There are plenty of misses but Shazam and Birds of Prey are far more fun than any movie Marvel has done in years, IMO. Thor Ragnarok is the last really interesting entry in the MCU it was largely due to it being different feeling than everything they'd done recently. The only MCU characters who have perma-died are ones who died because the actors got bored of their contracts. Is that interesting? Not to me. We knew Stark and Cap were going to have a proper send off. Black Widow is chronologically dead, but is getting her own show...so does it matter? Not really. 6 hours ago, Brother Glacius said: I'm sorry, you complain about the MCU bringing back everyone when characters actually did die at the end of it? And the DCU just brought back the only person it had killed, ie Superman with a moronic "lets use these mother boxes" plot line?? Give me a break. After Infinity War, the conversation immediately shifted to how they were going to go back in time to undo the snap. Much of the speculation was that they'd somehow separate the Time Stone and go back that way. Turns out the Time Stone doesn't matter AT ALL because there are other ways of controlling time. Is it less moronic to have multiple ways of controlling time, and thus undercutting the supposed importance of a one-of a kind stone? There was never any doubt that everyone who got snapped away was going to snap back, and there were absolutely no consequences whatsoever from it. While it was never in doubt whether Superman would remain dead, his resurrection was actually a plot point. There were characters arguing against it and it didn't work out perfectly. Everyone was in total agreement that unsnapping was the correct course of action, they did it, and there were high 5s all around. Exciting stuff 🙄 We knew which characters were going to stay dead long before Endgame came out. We merely watched it to see by which manner they'd be dispatched. All with noble and glorious ends. It's also more than a little intellectually dishonest to compare the first ensemble movie of one franchise with the 4th of another. Did a single Avenger suffer anything more than a mild inconvenience in the first movie? Of course not. That wouldn't bring the "feel good" vibes. Conversely, ZSJL hints at a post-apocalyptic future where the world still gets destroyed, despite their efforts. Where Superman has turned evil, Batman has compromised his code, and several others have died. A world where things can't just be fixed with enough gumption and brightly colored suits. Will that be realized? I genuinely don't know. But the MCU wouldn't touch that with a 10-foot-pole. It might mess up the pretty bow they put on the ending. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ish 5,841 Posted March 27 Report Share Posted March 27 12 hours ago, Munkie said: ZSJL hints at a post-apocalyptic future where the world still gets destroyed, despite their efforts. Where Superman has turned evil, Batman has compromised his code, and several others have died. A world where things can't just be fixed with enough gumption and brightly colored suits. This is the exact opposite of the story I want to see in a superhero movie. Superman and the Batman are meant to inspire hope for tomorrow, the courage to face our fears, and the conviction that doing the right thing is the right thing. I want a story where gumption (and a brightly colored suit) triumphs over malfeasance (and a dark suit). Otherwise, I can just stay home and read the newspaper. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Brother Glacius 1,829 Posted March 27 Report Share Posted March 27 Against my better judgement, I finished the movie yesterday. Going back in time to fix things? Really? Best you could come up with? And then it still went on for another 20+ minutes after that?? And for what, a preview of something that will never be? Oh, and lets toss in MM just because we need to extend this film? I wasn't a fan of the first cut either, it seemed like a poor version of Avengers. The second version is a pure ego trip. And you are really complaining that the Snap was undone? Like that would somehow make the MCU better? Tell me what other superhero movie have you seen where the hero doesn't win and everyone dies? Did the demons win in Shazam? huh..nope..was there any question about that? Nope. I'm sorry, but that is a dumb argument to make about a hero movie. "The good guys won...so unoriginal." So if that is your big complaint about the MCU...1st world problems. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
InfestedKerrigan 5,276 Posted March 27 Report Share Posted March 27 21 minutes ago, Brother Glacius said: Against my better judgement, I finished the movie yesterday. Going back in time to fix things? Really? Best you could come up with? And then it still went on for another 20+ minutes after that?? And for what, a preview of something that will never be? Oh, and lets toss in MM just because we need to extend this film? I wasn't a fan of the first cut either, it seemed like a poor version of Avengers. The second version is a pure ego trip. And you are really complaining that the Snap was undone? Like that would somehow make the MCU better? Tell me what other superhero movie have you seen where the hero doesn't win and everyone dies? Did the demons win in Shazam? huh..nope..was there any question about that? Nope. I'm sorry, but that is a dumb argument to make about a hero movie. "The good guys won...so unoriginal." So if that is your big complaint about the MCU...1st world problems. Watchmen Blustorm 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
InfestedKerrigan 5,276 Posted March 27 Report Share Posted March 27 Being a contrarian put aside, my biggest gripe about the film, as mentioned previously, was using the same method as Superman The Movie to save the world. Blustorm 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Munkie 2,018 Posted March 27 Report Share Posted March 27 47 minutes ago, Brother Glacius said: Against my better judgement, I finished the movie yesterday. Going back in time to fix things? Really? Best you could come up with? And then it still went on for another 20+ minutes after that?? And for what, a preview of something that will never be? Oh, and lets toss in MM just because we need to extend this film? I wasn't a fan of the first cut either, it seemed like a poor version of Avengers. The second version is a pure ego trip. And you are really complaining that the Snap was undone? Like that would somehow make the MCU better? Tell me what other superhero movie have you seen where the hero doesn't win and everyone dies? Did the demons win in Shazam? huh..nope..was there any question about that? Nope. I'm sorry, but that is a dumb argument to make about a hero movie. "The good guys won...so unoriginal." So if that is your big complaint about the MCU...1st world problems. You're getting very worked up about this, but whatever. I'm not complaining that the snap was undone. My point is there is never any tension in any MCU movie. The snap did not matter at all. Half of all life was wiped out and there was no emotional impact whatsoever. Because not only do you know the snap will be undone, there will be no moral questions about whether undoing it is right, no debate about what the consequences might be, and it turns out there will be no consequences so it's a good thing they didn't waste time wondering if there might be. It could have been an interesting arc, but since everything is effortless, care free, and turns out exactly as planned, it wasn't. You complained that using Mother boxes is a moronic way to bring a character back. I responded that having supposedly important stones end up not mattering because there is always another out is equally, if not more moronic. "Thats the best you can come up with" is not actually a counter argument. At least I offered one. Can you explain why setting up the Infinity Stones to be important over the course of 20+ movies, and then illustrating that they, in fact, are not important in one movie is good story telling? All comic book movies are absurd and unrelatable on some level. I just find the sacredness (both in the way Disney tightly controls the IP and the worship of fans) laughable. "The plot devices of my comic book movies are beyond reproach! Yours are stupid and it's wrong for you to not agree!" You don't have to like it, that's fine. I'm not head over heels for it, but I found it more interesting than anything the formulaic and repetitive MCU movies have done in a long time. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
InfestedKerrigan 5,276 Posted March 27 Report Share Posted March 27 58 minutes ago, Munkie said: Can you explain why setting up the Infinity Stones to be important over the course of 20+ movies, and then illustrating that they, in fact, are not important in one movie is good story telling? Eh, we haven't seen the ramifications of futzing with the stones, yet. Though, if the comics are any indication, there won't be. 🤣 Romans832 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
InfestedKerrigan 5,276 Posted April 1 Report Share Posted April 1 Kongzilla Mechagodzilla, NERV HQ, and plug suit time was severely under used. I'm not a fan of the MV Godzilla design, nor mechazilla, but the fit each other. Turkey bats should have started singing. I am pretty sure that isn't how defibrillators work. Having the pilot talking out the forward windows to the deaf person to his rear, repeatedly, was old. Fun movie. Doesn't feel like a waste of time, unlike Rise of Skywalker. Raindog, necrontyr and Blustorm 1 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Inquisitor66 770 Posted Saturday at 03:58 PM Report Share Posted Saturday at 03:58 PM The empty man Dont watch the trailer go watch the movie. Subtle-ish horror movie that blends a lot of the common tropes together in unexpected ways to create something interesting and effective. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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