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The OFCC has come and gone. The event was fun and had a good vibe, but I was a bit bummed on the attendance, so I have questions for the community. 

1) Do people like the venue?

2) Is the multi game system tournament event a good thing or does it detract from the Infinity Event?

3) Do you like narrative event or ITS events?

4) Is the painting requirement a barrier?

5) Is the price point a barrier?

6) How many points do you want to play? 200, 300, 400?

7) If you like a narrative event, do you want the missions to be secret and announced before play?

8 ) Should Ordo run Infinity events, or are Warcor like Rose City Raid enough or even preferred?

9) What is a good weekend to run the OFCC?

10) How many games should we play in a two day event? 5 or 6?

11) If you did not attend, what were you barriers?

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  1. Dunno, haven't been.
  2. I'm fine with multiple systems being played, but I haven't attended this one so I dunno how it was run.
  3. I think I prefer ITS, but that won't stop me from going to a narrative event in the future.
  4. This makes it harder to go, but at this point in my painting quest for completion it would be more limiting to factions/lists than my attendance. For others this may break it for them.
  5. No, but the price/prize support ratio is perhaps worth thinking about carefully. I haven't been, so this comment is based on secondhand rumors and hearsay.
  6. Not 400. I don't mind doing that on a game night for fun, but until we as a meta get to the point where we can crank out a full 300 point game in 1.5 hours on the regular 400 will be too long, I think.
  7. Secret! More fun that way. Obviously tell us to bring particular specialists and such.
  8. Definitely need to coordinate with RCR and the rest of the community, but Ordo is an important part of the scene here. I say run events.
  9. This one is tough. Hard to predict the future. I will say that I'd be much more likely to go to a 1-day 3-round narrative event. A 2-day event, even one locally, can be pretty disruptive.
  10. 5, save the brain cells.
  11. Personal scheduling stuff.

Hope this helps. Happy to talk with you more offline, @Raindog

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1. Yes, it's awesome, but very expensive. Probably a consideration to be made.

2. I don't think it detracts from anything at all. There's usually not a lot of overlap between the games, from what I've seen, so I don't think it hurt us too badly this year.

3. Much prefer narrative events. ITS tends to frustrate me.

4. It's a barrier, definitely. I know I struggle with getting things painted. That said, it's really nice to play a tournament where EVERYTHING is painted, even if it's not the best work.

5. I don't know about anyone else, but $40-50 for an event you have all year to plan for isn't too bad. The biggest expense comes from buying food and drinks while you're actually there; those $7 beers in the hotel bar add up in a hurry.

6. I like 200. I can play a 300 point tournament anywhere, and 400 is just too damn big for Infinity, as far as I'm concerned.

7. Not a fan of secret missions in Infinity. Infinity is a game where everything has to be very precise, and you need to be able to tailor your list to the task at hand. You can get away with a generic "all comers" list in games like 40k or AoS, but not in Infinity. We need to know ahead of time to prepare.

8. Absolutely yes! There's a different feel to Ordo events than ITS events, they're a lot less competitive and a lot more fun. Events like the Rose City Raid or other ITS tournaments aren't a bad thing, but they're definitely a different animal, and Ordo events feel more relaxed and fun.

9. As someone who basically has no life, I can't comment on that.

10. 5 is a good number, it allows us to wrap up earlier on Sunday to get everything packed up and ready to roll.

11. I was there, so I dunno.

Hit me up in PM if you have any questions, RD. You know that I'm feeling burnt out on Infinity, but I'm still going to keep my hand in, and honestly, Ordo tournaments are a lot more fun for me than ITS, so please don't quit running them.

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My primary concern was just that I was double (actually quadruple, but three were able to handled here in Seattle) booked last weekend, but I'll give this a shot anyway.

1) Do people like the venue?

It's not my favorite due to the price of accommodations, but otherwise I enjoyed it in 2017.

2) Is the multi game system tournament event a good thing or does it detract from the Infinity Event?

Given my history in games, I think it's nice to see people that I know but don't necessarily play the same game as anymore.

3) Do you like narrative event or ITS events?

Yes.

4) Is the painting requirement a barrier?

Of course it's a barrier, but is it meaningful? I think so. Were it dropped, I doubt you'd see an appreciable upswing Infinity wise.

5) Is the price point a barrier?

Yes. Not necessarily for me, but it definitely makes it a harder sell.

6) How many points do you want to play? 200, 300, 400?

Two hundred for narrative is fine, but otherwise 300.

7) If you like a narrative event, do you want the missions to be secret and announced before play?

Seeeeecrets although that can give a rather unfair advantage if they're revealed to the home crew first.

8 ) Should Ordo run Infinity events, or are Warcor like Rose City Raid enough or even preferred?

I don't know or particularly care, but I also kinda think Ordo's mission for sportsmanship is more than a little anachronistic. I get the intention, but we're not even playing the GW rule sets that forced it in the first place.

9) What is a good weekend to run the OFCC?

With how much people travel these days, maybe you're better off splitting into several smaller events rather than one big one? Otherwise, I don't really know.

10) How many games should we play in a two day event? 5 or 6?

Five.

11) If you did not attend, what were you barriers?

Mainly scheduling conflicts, but I also didn't feel much of an out-of-game connection last year. Most people from the Infinity side just wandered off with their established cliques so it was hard to find something to do after our games.

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1) Do people like the venue? - Yes, but I stayed at the much cheaper hotel down the street with a free hot breakfast :) If I wanted cheaper drinks I just went across the street and got beer named after scary dragons. (If you didn't have a Shimmer Gloom you missed out)

2) Is the multi game system tournament event a good thing or does it detract from the Infinity Event? - I like seeing all the other games and having stuff to watch between games.

3) Do you like narrative event or ITS events? - I think its all the same to me.

4) Is the painting requirement a barrier? - No, it makes me paint. And some people are amazing at it and I like seeing their work.

5) Is the price point a barrier? - Nope. Its a fair price for a bitchin weekend and prizes.

6) How many points do you want to play? 200, 300, 400? All 3? Is that an option? I vote all 3.

7) If you like a narrative event, do you want the missions to be secret and announced before play? I like knowing the missions but that's because I am TERRIBLE at strategizing and I need time to figure it out. I think knowing the missions is helpful for newerish players like me.

8 ) Should Ordo run Infinity events, or are Warcor like Rose City Raid enough or even preferred? I loved Rose City Raid but I also loved OFCC. I want both. I think having them in different seasons would be a good idea.

9) What is a good weekend to run the OFCC? If I know ahead of time, any weekend that is not a holiday weekend (more affordable hotels and less traffic)

10) How many games should we play in a two day event? 5 or 6? 5 was plenty for me due to the Friday event, if there was no Friday event 6 games would be fun.

11) If you did not attend, what were you barriers? I WAS THERE! GLITTER AND ALL!

 

Again, thank you @Raindog for hosting, entertaining me, making sure everyone had what they needed for a great weekend, and all around being the best. You are a top notch human.

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1 hour ago, Raindog said:

 

The OFCC has come and gone. The event was fun and had a good vibe, but I was a bit bummed on the attendance, so I have questions for the community. 

1) Do people like the venue?

It's far for me to travel home for the night, so I have to find a place to stay in Portland.

2) Is the multi game system tournament event a good thing or does it detract from the Infinity Event?

I like seeing friends from other systems and being around that many painted models is invigorating.  Plus I think it gets more people interested in Infinity.

3) Do you like narrative event or ITS events?

Both, leaning towards ITS.

4) Is the painting requirement a barrier?

No, it's the primary motivator

5) Is the price point a barrier?

I can see how it could be.  It could be hard to pay that much to fulfill the Ordo mission of a fun weekend rolling dice with friends.  Prize ratio could be better.  Last year I walked away feeling very happy with the games and fun, but not as happy with the prizes.  It's not necessarily the primary motivator for attendance though.

6) How many points do you want to play? 200, 300, 400?

200 or 300

7) If you like a narrative event, do you want the missions to be secret and announced before play?

Preferably announced, or if secret, balance and clarity is super important, and along with having two lists to choose from.  I played the Rescue equivalent last year with a mostly remote army and with only one list was kinda stuck.  Also please don't force me to take spec ops.

8 ) Should Ordo run Infinity events, or are Warcor like Rose City Raid enough or even preferred?

Ordo should continue to be an important part of the infinity community and should continue to run events.

9) What is a good weekend to run the OFCC?

This is hard.

10) How many games should we play in a two day event? 5 or 6?

5

11) If you did not attend, what were you barriers?

Family commitment

We can connect offline if you want to discuss more.  Definitely looking forward to defending my sword at Rampage, so don't stop running events!

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1) Do people like the venue?

Venue is not bad, not great.

2) Is the multi game system tournament event a good thing or does it detract from the Infinity Event?

For me, yes it detracts.  If I'm going to pay for an event, I'd much rather it be focused on the system I'm interested in.

3) Do you like narrative event or ITS events?

I'm game for both, but there isn't anyone else running Narrative events in the PNW currently, so that's a definite plus.

4) Is the painting requirement a barrier?

Sure, but I prefer it.  Like Riley mentioned, I doubt attendance would be meaningfully impacted by dropping it.

5) Is the price point a barrier?

It's definitely an expensive event - I don't mind paying a similar price point for other events, but those events are very focused on Infinity.

6) How many points do you want to play? 200, 300, 400?

300.  If you're worried about time, just make sure it stays Limited Insertion. 10 models is 10 models, at 200 points or 300.

7) If you like a narrative event, do you want the missions to be secret and announced before play?

I prefer secret, but if they're secret they need to be secret for everybody.

8 ) Should Ordo run Infinity events, or are Warcor like Rose City Raid enough or even preferred?

Rose City was fantastic and pretty much exactly what I'm looking for from a two day Infinity event.  I would love to see you guys continue running an annual event, but maybe outside OFCC and as a narrative.

9) What is a good weekend to run the OFCC?

Every weekend is going to have people that can't attend and people that can.  I'm ambivalent

10) How many games should we play in a two day event? 5 or 6?

Five.

11) If you did not attend, what were you barriers?

I really wanted to do Rose City and didn't have a ton of spare funds to do another weekend long event that close to it (also was in the process of buying a new condo, so that complicated things).

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1) Do people like the venue?

Yes, AC and access to beer do it for me.

2) Is the multi game system tournament event a good thing or does it detract from the Infinity Event?

I like seeing the other games being played and all of the cool displays people build and paint.

3) Do you like narrative event or ITS events?

Either works for me.

4) Is the painting requirement a barrier?

Not my finest work but putting three colors on whilst drinking was quick and easy.

5) Is the price point a barrier?

No.

6) How many points do you want to play? 200, 300, 400?

200-300

7) If you like a narrative event, do you want the missions to be secret and announced before play?

Either way I will probably just read them right before the game :)

8 ) Should Ordo run Infinity events, or are Warcor like Rose City Raid enough or even preferred?

Yes, I like the variety of events.

9) What is a good weekend to run the OFCC?

Any month except August for me. I almost had to miss this year due to work

10) How many games should we play in a two day event? 5 or 6?

11) If you did not attend, what were you barriers?

Sunday I let my hangover win.

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1) Do people like the venue?

I think the venue is fine. It's unfortunate that it is a drive for some people and is apparently spendy to stay but it's a nice middle ground between the Portland area and Seattle area Infinity groups.

2) Is the multi game system tournament event a good thing or does it detract from the Infinity Event?

I think it's good for a once-a-year event for the club to showcase some of the different types of games people play there. While I haven't played Warhammer in a long time I do still love the game and love seeing other people playing and their armies. I think it's also a good opportunity for non-Infinity players to see the game in action and maybe even become interested.

3) Do you like narrative event or ITS events?

Provided there is enough support I think it's good to have both. That gives different types of players an event to participate in that best fits their style of game play.

4) Is the painting requirement a barrier?

This is a huge barrier for me. I would have participated this year and possibly even last year if painting wasn't required. That being said, I think it is a good requirement to have for a once-a-year multi-game event and it should be viewed as more of an incentive to paint than a barrier to play. 

5) Is the price point a barrier?

For me, no. 

6) How many points do you want to play? 200, 300, 400?

I have never played a 400 point game, nor do I really desire to. I think 200 and 300 are fine and probably best as they are with 200 points being for the narrative event and 300 points for the ITS tournament.

7) If you like a narrative event, do you want the missions to be secret and announced before play?

I think the missions should either be completely announced before play or at the very least some basic ideas or themes should be noted so that people can tailor their lists to accommodate. Infinity lists do tend to be pretty flexible but it can be difficult to try to cover all bases with some factions or sectorials.

8 ) Should Ordo run Infinity events, or are Warcor like Rose City Raid enough or even preferred?

I think the more Infinity events the better. If anything I'd like to see Ordo run more events!

9) What is a good weekend to run the OFCC?

As others have said, there is never going to be a perfect weekend for everyone. I think the current end of August works fine.

10) How many games should we play in a two day event? 5 or 6?

I think I would prefer 5 if I were to participate: 3 on the first day and 2 on the second to wind down.

11) If you did not attend, what were you barriers?

Jeremy and I were able to attend this year so no barriers there. Again, the painted requirement is the main barrier for me but one that I agree with.

 

I also wanted to give a big thanks to all and especially the event coordinators! I wish Jeremy and I had had the opportunity to hang out with you all more but we were only able to do the one day and had made plans for a meet-up there as well. And I hate bugging people while they're gaming but at least we were able to chat with raindog for awhile.

Looking forward to next year! (maybe I will actually have a force painted so I can participate! ...but probably not 😐)

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