PourSpelur Posted September 2, 2018 Report Share Posted September 2, 2018 Dammit LH, you're an enigma wrapped in a silly riddle. I post the polite version of "your opinion is wrong and you should feel bad" and your response is pure class. Don't get me wrong. I still think you're a lunatic, but a classy lunatic. 😉 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Hanaur Posted September 2, 2018 Report Share Posted September 2, 2018 5 hours ago, pretre said: If only someone had fixed this problem! Yes. I can read what the man typed. I was answering a question about what happened before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InfestedKerrigan Posted September 2, 2018 Report Share Posted September 2, 2018 8 minutes ago, Lord Hanaur said: Yes. I can read what the man typed. I was answering a question about what happened before. I question your ability to read. I believe you use a text-to-speech converter to aid you in this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Hanaur Posted September 2, 2018 Report Share Posted September 2, 2018 2 hours ago, InfestedKerrigan said: I question your ability to read. I believe you use a text-to-speech converter to aid you in this. What does Vegas give me on those odds. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Hanaur Posted September 2, 2018 Report Share Posted September 2, 2018 4 hours ago, scottshoemaker said: I see OFCC as a big gamer reunion. The Marshall Johnson is a excellent Memorial that sets the tone many other events can only strive for. As far as I know ours is the only event of its kind. Eat, drink and be merry, for tomorrow we game. Sure, I can see how some people would see it as a reunion. That's a legit thought of course. But then, you need no scoring for that. Like at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Hanaur Posted September 2, 2018 Report Share Posted September 2, 2018 5 hours ago, fluger said: If it is an event where you don't care about winning, why care if your painting isn't good. I have yet to go to 40k OFCC with a completely painted army. I don't give a [big bad swear word] about winning anything except best sports. I couldn't care less. LH, you remain inscrutable. Winning wasnt the issue I raised. It's the issue other people raised. Attributing that to me would be a mistake. I'm not inscrutable but I appreciate the mystery you bestow on me by suggesting it. 🙂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottshoemaker Posted September 2, 2018 Report Share Posted September 2, 2018 13 minutes ago, Lord Hanaur said: Sure, I can see how some people would see it as a reunion. That's a legit thought of course. But then, you need no scoring for that. Like at all. Did you even bother reading the rest of the post? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Hanaur Posted September 3, 2018 Report Share Posted September 3, 2018 38 minutes ago, scottshoemaker said: Did you even bother reading the rest of the post? Yup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InfestedKerrigan Posted September 3, 2018 Report Share Posted September 3, 2018 1 hour ago, Lord Hanaur said: What does Vegas give me on those odds. Never tell me the odds. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluger Posted September 3, 2018 Report Share Posted September 3, 2018 57 minutes ago, Lord Hanaur said: Winning wasnt the issue I raised. It's the issue other people raised. Attributing that to me would be a mistake. I'm not inscrutable but I appreciate the mystery you bestow on me by suggesting it. 🙂 You specifically stated you only recommend OFCC to people who paint well. The reasoning being the only chance at winning the event was with a sterling paint score. Ergo, my confusion. If one does not care about winning, why care about scoring? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InfestedKerrigan Posted September 3, 2018 Report Share Posted September 3, 2018 2 minutes ago, fluger said: If one does not care about winning, why care about scoring? I wanna score with some slots. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Hanaur Posted September 3, 2018 Report Share Posted September 3, 2018 14 minutes ago, fluger said: You specifically stated you only recommend OFCC to people who paint well. The reasoning being the only chance at winning the event was with a sterling paint score. Ergo, my confusion. If one does not care about winning, why care about scoring? The event itself cares about scoring. Evidenced by the fact that scoring exists. Since the event continues to score... the scoring should make sense. It didn't make sense on any level two years ago and that prompts me to qualify my statements. What I continue to try and convey is that it isnt WINNING, as someone else that ISN'T me suggested was the issue. It's the intrinsically more fun experience you get WHEN ratings happen. Which is the subject of the thread, despite attempts to repeatedly inject the word winning into this equation. I was 5-0 at the last one. Winning wasnt my issue. It wasnt the people...as I must again point out. It was the actual fun of facing four of those five lists, which in no way exhibited to me anything other than that their goal WAS to win!!! Does this clarify things? If not, I've done what I can. I respected and liked the work done to avoid this very issue. It was WORTH paying for to get the fun lists aspect of it. WORTH IT. That was an attraction. Climbing uphill against 4 power lists on the other hand... I can do that anywhere. We tanked our lists repeatedly (our best job was 1,1,1,2) to live up to the standard I am bemoaning the loss of. Wins be damned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottshoemaker Posted September 3, 2018 Report Share Posted September 3, 2018 So it seems to me that: lists get rated by a team of volunteers that take personal time to do so, people complain. lists aren't rated, people complain 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burk Posted September 3, 2018 Report Share Posted September 3, 2018 56 minutes ago, Lord Hanaur said: The event itself cares about scoring. Evidenced by the fact that scoring exists. This is incorrect. It exists because we need to get players to attend to pay for the space. We would prefer no scoring at all. But again, players want it clearly. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted September 3, 2018 Report Share Posted September 3, 2018 56 minutes ago, scottshoemaker said: So it seems to me that: people complain Really, each year is just picking who you can handle complaining. 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottshoemaker Posted September 3, 2018 Report Share Posted September 3, 2018 I figure I'll HOG next year and bring back Strict Comp guidlines under my gaze. Then they'll be begging for this years scoring. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonVilkee Posted September 3, 2018 Report Share Posted September 3, 2018 It is a club challenge... with out some form of competition (and scoring) it can't sustain itself. The scoring had to exist to make to convince people to attend the first time. That and the cannon! I'm just going to say thank you for the candid discussion of list rating and I'm super excited to continue attending for years to come now that I've found a solid set of guys to attend with. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InfestedKerrigan Posted September 3, 2018 Report Share Posted September 3, 2018 Just now, pretre said: Really, each year is just picking who you can handle complaining. Unsurprisingly, it is about something from the past, and involves power levels and painting/scoring grievances. Surprisingly, it's LH. I support a lack of list rating. I also support playing by the book, leave ITC at the tournies. I also support FW inclusion. I dream of a day when a team of Knights is welcomed as warmly as a team of Sisters of Battle, or Black Templar, or any other team. End prohibition and the era of fear! Liberty! Brotherhood! For the Emperor! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonVilkee Posted September 3, 2018 Report Share Posted September 3, 2018 I wouldn't go full team but a couple of players absolutely! Funny thing is I do not support those full theme teams either. There are a great number of players and styles out there as a captain a team that brings a broad set of tools makes my job the easiest and I don't want to power shame models. Being able to change <> rules is a God send in this edition to that effect. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestRider Posted September 3, 2018 Report Share Posted September 3, 2018 19 minutes ago, VonVilkee said: I wouldn't go full team but a couple of players absolutely! Funny thing is I do not support those full theme teams either. There are a great number of players and styles out there as a captain a team that brings a broad set of tools makes my job the easiest and I don't want to power shame models. Being able to change <> rules is a God send in this edition to that effect. How tight a theme becomes a problem? Just curious, because I was actually somewhat concerned about that when we decided to do the all-Chaos theme, and you have first-hand experience against that team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InfestedKerrigan Posted September 3, 2018 Report Share Posted September 3, 2018 7 minutes ago, WestRider said: How tight a theme becomes a problem? Just curious, because I was actually somewhat concerned about that when we decided to do the all-Chaos theme, and you have first-hand experience against that team. I think that becomes both subjective, and relies on the team theme. "The Battle of Prinuse VII" team display board with 2 Chaos players, 1 AdMech Player, 1 Knight player is going to score more soft points in that regard, than the team of 4 Space Marine armies. Same with "how cookie cutter are the armies?" 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonVilkee Posted September 3, 2018 Report Share Posted September 3, 2018 56 minutes ago, WestRider said: How tight a theme becomes a problem? Just curious, because I was actually somewhat concerned about that when we decided to do the all-Chaos theme, and you have first-hand experience against that team. All chaos is totally fine they can bring a range of lists with differing tools. The whole all infantry across a team is not something I enjoy seeing as mass model counts is an extreme list and requires specific tools that are hard to have in every list... couple of outlier lists are fine but balance it by having a couple of solid all comers or a drastically different outlier. 8th has far less of this issue than previous editions but having a reasonable set of lists is important. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestRider Posted September 3, 2018 Report Share Posted September 3, 2018 That's about what I thought. The 4 Chaos Gods have different enough styles that I figured it was OK. I just...I'm not always good with things that don't have an objective answer. You know? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Munkie Posted September 3, 2018 Report Share Posted September 3, 2018 4 hours ago, Lord Hanaur said: It didn't make sense on any level two years ago and that prompts me to qualify my statements. And again, the scoring did make sense, it just wasn't calculated properly. It wouldn't have changed the sportsmanship standings as every team except one got full points on the opponent rubric. Whether it was doubled or halved, the rankings wouldn't change. It's just when it came to winning best overall that the sportsmanship wasn't weighted properly. But having a team that scored lowest in sportsmanship and low in painting, it wouldn't have changed your positioning much if at all. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xavier319 Posted September 3, 2018 Report Share Posted September 3, 2018 On 8/31/2018 at 9:03 PM, happycamper said: It’s part of game. They have a Codex with stragems. So are a lot of things. EVERYTHING has a codex or index, and most of them have stratagems, and yet some things and combinations are still considered "inappropriate" for OFCC. These kind of responses are unhelpful and dismissive, try to keep them to a minimum. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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