Lyraeus Posted February 20, 2019 Report Share Posted February 20, 2019 Been thinking about this for a while and I am going to be starting an Elite Army built around some good Ole fluff... Heh... Soup list built on fluff... The irony. The List: ++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Imperium - Deathwatch) [80 PL, -1CP, 982pts] ++ + No Force Org Slot + Armory of the Watch Fortress (1 Relic) [-1CP] + HQ + Librarian [6 PL, 100pts]: Force stave, Storm Bolter Watch Captain [7 PL, 101pts]: Jump Pack, Power lance, Storm Bolter, The Beacon Angelis Watch Master [7 PL, 130pts]: Tome of the Ectoclades, Warlord, Watch Eternal + Troops + Veterans [20 PL, 217pts] . Biker w/ Teleport Homer: Twin boltgun . Terminator . . Power Maul and Stormbolter: Power maul, Storm Bolter . Vanguard Veteran: Power lance, Storm shield . Veteran: Storm Bolter, Storm shield . Veteran: Storm Bolter, Storm shield . Veteran: Chainsword, Storm Bolter . Veteran: Chainsword, Storm Bolter . Veteran: Storm Bolter, Storm shield . Veteran: Storm Bolter, Storm shield . Watch Sergeant: Power maul, Storm Bolter Veterans [20 PL, 217pts] . Biker w/ Teleport Homer: Twin boltgun . Terminator . . Power Maul and Stormbolter: Power maul, Storm Bolter . Vanguard Veteran: Power lance, Storm shield . Veteran: Storm Bolter, Storm shield . Veteran: Storm Bolter, Storm shield . Veteran: Chainsword, Storm Bolter . Veteran: Chainsword, Storm Bolter . Veteran: Storm Bolter, Storm shield . Veteran: Storm Bolter, Storm shield . Watch Sergeant: Power maul, Storm Bolter Veterans [20 PL, 217pts] . Biker w/ Teleport Homer: Twin boltgun . Terminator . . Power Maul and Stormbolter: Power maul, Storm Bolter . Vanguard Veteran: Power lance, Storm shield . Veteran: Storm Bolter, Storm shield . Veteran: Storm Bolter, Storm shield . Veteran: Chainsword, Storm Bolter . Veteran: Chainsword, Storm Bolter . Veteran: Storm Bolter, Storm shield . Veteran: Storm Bolter, Storm shield . Watch Sergeant: Power maul, Storm Bolter ++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Imperium - Astra Militarum) [31 PL, -3CP, 459pts] ++ + No Force Org Slot + Field Commander [-1CP] Imperial Commander's Armoury [-1CP]: 1 additional Heirloom of Conquest Regimental Doctrine: Regiment: Cadian Vigilus Defiant [-1CP]: Emperor's Wrath Artillery Company + HQ + Company Commander [2 PL, 30pts]: Chainsword, Emperor's Wrath, Laspistol, Relic (Emperor's Wrath): Agripinaa-Class Orbital Tracker, WT (Emperor's Wrath): Lord of Ordnance Company Commander [2 PL, 30pts]: Chainsword, Emperor's Wrath, Laspistol + Troops + Infantry Squad [3 PL, 40pts]: 9x Guardsman . Sergeant: Laspistol Infantry Squad [3 PL, 40pts]: 9x Guardsman . Sergeant: Laspistol Infantry Squad [3 PL, 40pts]: 9x Guardsman . Sergeant: Laspistol Infantry Squad [3 PL, 40pts]: 9x Guardsman . Sergeant: Laspistol + Heavy Support + Heavy Weapons Squad [3 PL, 33pts] . Heavy Weapon Team: Mortar . Heavy Weapon Team: Mortar . Heavy Weapon Team: Mortar Wyverns [6 PL, 103pts]: Emperor's Wrath . Wyvern: Heavy Bolter Wyverns [6 PL, 103pts]: Emperor's Wrath . Wyvern: Heavy Bolter ++ Super-Heavy Auxiliary Detachment (Imperium - Imperial Knights) [25 PL, -1CP, 468pts] ++ + No Force Org Slot + Heirlooms of the Household [-1CP]: Heirlooms of the Household: 1 Extra Heirloom Household Choice: House Krast, Questor Mechanicus + Lord of War + Knight Crusader [25 PL, 468pts]: Character (Heirloom of the House), Heavy Stubber, Heirloom (Krast): The Headsman's Mark, Ironstorm Missile Pod, Thermal Cannon . Avenger Gatling Cannon w/ Heavy Flamer: Avenger Gatling Cannon, Heavy Flamer ++ Total: [136 PL, -5CP, 1909pts] ++ The list is the take all comers list I can come up with but it is ultimately pretty standard. It's nothing spectacular but it is versatile and dangerous. Add in that I leave myself enough points for a Assassin of any kind and I have a pretty decent set up I think. The fluff comes next in the Second post as spoilers like to run together if you are not careful So... Because of this nugget https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Deffwotch I make just make a Ork Count as Deathwatch army with Grot Kadians and an Ork Knight Krusader 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyraeus Posted February 20, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2019 In the Watch of Octarius Sector and the fight of the Ork Warboss the Overfiend and Hive Fleet Leviathan the Deathwatch of Fortress Furor Shield prepares for combat. With the appearance the of Ghazskull rallying the Overfiends forces and the withdrawal of Leviathan, Watch Commander of Furor Shield uses the Inquistorial power given by Inquistor Kryptman to fight the rising Ork threat and clear remaining strands of Hive Fleet Leviathan from the sector. With the advent of the Cicatrix Male dictum opening up warp space to random incursions of various xeno and heretical warbands the Watch Commander brings in the remains of the 110th Cadian Artillery Regiment known as the Shadow Corps and the Countess Awomia who pilots The Knight Crusader Sileo Redemptia in service of House Krast into the an adhoc command of Watch Master Falcoris who leads Watch Company Falcoris for the duration. What threats will this amalgamation of war encounter? What will they overcome? What will stymie their efforts? Only time will tell. There is always one thing they can rely on. There will always be another battle for them to face. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPaceORK Posted February 20, 2019 Report Share Posted February 20, 2019 I approve of this. Good luck finding that many storm bolters though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestRider Posted February 20, 2019 Report Share Posted February 20, 2019 2 hours ago, SPaceORK said: I approve of this. Good luck finding that many storm bolters though. Munitorum Shipping Containers. They're like $8 per 6 on Hoard o' Bits, and you could probably get them even cheaper by just finding someone who bought the Containers and didn't use the guns. Or just take two Bolters, shave down one side of each, and glue 'em together. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyraeus Posted February 20, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2019 2 hours ago, SPaceORK said: I approve of this. Good luck finding that many storm bolters though. There is a store called Pop Goes the Monkey. I can buy 3d printed a Stormbolters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonVilkee Posted February 20, 2019 Report Share Posted February 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Lyraeus said: There is a store called Pop Goes the Monkey. I can buy 3d printed a Stormbolters That are vertically stacked and look awesome in the plastic! I got a set wicked cool looking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyraeus Posted February 20, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2019 17 minutes ago, VonVilkee said: That are vertically stacked and look awesome in the plastic! I got a set wicked cool looking. Yup. It also let's me pick up shoulder pads for the various chapters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyraeus Posted February 20, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2019 On a side note, I ordered the Culexus, Vindicare, Eversor, and a Watch Master so the start has begun! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Hanaur Posted February 20, 2019 Report Share Posted February 20, 2019 17 hours ago, Lyraeus said: Been thinking about this for a while and I am going to be starting an Elite Army built around some good Ole fluff... Heh... Soup list built on fluff... The irony. The List: Hide contents ++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Imperium - Deathwatch) [80 PL, -1CP, 982pts] ++ + No Force Org Slot + Armory of the Watch Fortress (1 Relic) [-1CP] + HQ + Librarian [6 PL, 100pts]: Force stave, Storm Bolter Watch Captain [7 PL, 101pts]: Jump Pack, Power lance, Storm Bolter, The Beacon Angelis Watch Master [7 PL, 130pts]: Tome of the Ectoclades, Warlord, Watch Eternal + Troops + Veterans [20 PL, 217pts] . Biker w/ Teleport Homer: Twin boltgun . Terminator . . Power Maul and Stormbolter: Power maul, Storm Bolter . Vanguard Veteran: Power lance, Storm shield . Veteran: Storm Bolter, Storm shield . Veteran: Storm Bolter, Storm shield . Veteran: Chainsword, Storm Bolter . Veteran: Chainsword, Storm Bolter . Veteran: Storm Bolter, Storm shield . Veteran: Storm Bolter, Storm shield . Watch Sergeant: Power maul, Storm Bolter Veterans [20 PL, 217pts] . Biker w/ Teleport Homer: Twin boltgun . Terminator . . Power Maul and Stormbolter: Power maul, Storm Bolter . Vanguard Veteran: Power lance, Storm shield . Veteran: Storm Bolter, Storm shield . Veteran: Storm Bolter, Storm shield . Veteran: Chainsword, Storm Bolter . Veteran: Chainsword, Storm Bolter . Veteran: Storm Bolter, Storm shield . Veteran: Storm Bolter, Storm shield . Watch Sergeant: Power maul, Storm Bolter Veterans [20 PL, 217pts] . Biker w/ Teleport Homer: Twin boltgun . Terminator . . Power Maul and Stormbolter: Power maul, Storm Bolter . Vanguard Veteran: Power lance, Storm shield . Veteran: Storm Bolter, Storm shield . Veteran: Storm Bolter, Storm shield . Veteran: Chainsword, Storm Bolter . Veteran: Chainsword, Storm Bolter . Veteran: Storm Bolter, Storm shield . Veteran: Storm Bolter, Storm shield . Watch Sergeant: Power maul, Storm Bolter ++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Imperium - Astra Militarum) [31 PL, -3CP, 459pts] ++ + No Force Org Slot + Field Commander [-1CP] Imperial Commander's Armoury [-1CP]: 1 additional Heirloom of Conquest Regimental Doctrine: Regiment: Cadian Vigilus Defiant [-1CP]: Emperor's Wrath Artillery Company + HQ + Company Commander [2 PL, 30pts]: Chainsword, Emperor's Wrath, Laspistol, Relic (Emperor's Wrath): Agripinaa-Class Orbital Tracker, WT (Emperor's Wrath): Lord of Ordnance Company Commander [2 PL, 30pts]: Chainsword, Emperor's Wrath, Laspistol + Troops + Infantry Squad [3 PL, 40pts]: 9x Guardsman . Sergeant: Laspistol Infantry Squad [3 PL, 40pts]: 9x Guardsman . Sergeant: Laspistol Infantry Squad [3 PL, 40pts]: 9x Guardsman . Sergeant: Laspistol Infantry Squad [3 PL, 40pts]: 9x Guardsman . Sergeant: Laspistol + Heavy Support + Heavy Weapons Squad [3 PL, 33pts] . Heavy Weapon Team: Mortar . Heavy Weapon Team: Mortar . Heavy Weapon Team: Mortar Wyverns [6 PL, 103pts]: Emperor's Wrath . Wyvern: Heavy Bolter Wyverns [6 PL, 103pts]: Emperor's Wrath . Wyvern: Heavy Bolter ++ Super-Heavy Auxiliary Detachment (Imperium - Imperial Knights) [25 PL, -1CP, 468pts] ++ + No Force Org Slot + Heirlooms of the Household [-1CP]: Heirlooms of the Household: 1 Extra Heirloom Household Choice: House Krast, Questor Mechanicus + Lord of War + Knight Crusader [25 PL, 468pts]: Character (Heirloom of the House), Heavy Stubber, Heirloom (Krast): The Headsman's Mark, Ironstorm Missile Pod, Thermal Cannon . Avenger Gatling Cannon w/ Heavy Flamer: Avenger Gatling Cannon, Heavy Flamer ++ Total: [136 PL, -5CP, 1909pts] ++ The list is the take all comers list I can come up with but it is ultimately pretty standard. It's nothing spectacular but it is versatile and dangerous. Add in that I leave myself enough points for a Assassin of any kind and I have a pretty decent set up I think. The fluff comes next in the Second post as spoilers like to run together if you are not careful I fought the Castellan version of this list. It was pretty effective. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluger Posted February 20, 2019 Report Share Posted February 20, 2019 How do you deal with tough vehicles? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Hanaur Posted February 20, 2019 Report Share Posted February 20, 2019 17 minutes ago, fluger said: How do you deal with tough vehicles? thermal cannon will do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluger Posted February 20, 2019 Report Share Posted February 20, 2019 Seems...insufficient against certain armies, but I'm a n00b again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Hanaur Posted February 20, 2019 Report Share Posted February 20, 2019 1 hour ago, fluger said: Seems...insufficient against certain armies, but I'm a n00b again. It will wreck a vehicle per round with fair ease. The storm shields play big as i learned. He likely Deep strikes the veterans in and unleashes with sotmrbolter fury and those are quite good at 12" range. The mauls and lances are an interesting choice and one you could debate but i like that he's using them. I think i would probably add the Mortars to the IG squads though to bury them deeper and protect them against counter battery fire. Also, because it reduces the number of units you have to drop. Just food for thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 20, 2019 Report Share Posted February 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Lord Hanaur said: thermal cannon will do it. Thermal Cannon is really lack luster. I have a Renegade knight with dual Thermal Cannons, and it's a big waste. It just looks really cool. 2d6 "lascannons" shots just isn't enough for ~500pts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Hanaur Posted February 20, 2019 Report Share Posted February 20, 2019 1 minute ago, paxmiles said: Thermal Cannon is really lack luster. I have a Renegade knight with dual Thermal Cannons, and it's a big waste. It just looks really cool. 2d6 "lascannons" shots just isn't enough for ~500pts. thermal cannon is the melta if i recall? I might be wrong. Not a Knight expert but 2D6 lascannons is a lot if it isnt the Melta one...but i thought ti was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 20, 2019 Report Share Posted February 20, 2019 4 minutes ago, Lord Hanaur said: thermal cannon is the melta if i recall? Yes, but it's S9, so it's basically a lascannon. Better AP, slightly less total range, and that melta damage roll within half range, but against most targets it's indistinguishable from a lascannon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Hanaur Posted February 20, 2019 Report Share Posted February 20, 2019 17 minutes ago, paxmiles said: Yes, but it's S9, so it's basically a lascannon. Better AP, slightly less total range, and that melta damage roll within half range, but against most targets it's indistinguishable from a lascannon. Yeah so re-rolling damage is a huge feature. It matters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainA Posted February 20, 2019 Report Share Posted February 20, 2019 I'd look at putting a thunder hammer/storm shield on the watch captain. Makes him much more surviveable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 20, 2019 Report Share Posted February 20, 2019 36 minutes ago, Lord Hanaur said: Yeah so re-rolling damage is a huge feature. It matters. They don't re-roll damage. 2 dice, pick the highest, which is better anyway. That said, doesn't increase the min or max damage in the slightest. So it's only better in terms of averages. And most targets worth shooting will have invulnerable saves, or hit penalties, or ignores damage abilities. With 2x thermal cannons, I have ~7 shots per turn for 500pts. Even with ideal conditions, it's still only ~4 hits and ~3 wounds on most targets worth shooting. And in ideal conditions target's worth shooting will only have a 5++, so 2 wounds. Damage output is about 7 per turn, which is crap for the points invested. Mine has 2x thermal cannons because I think they look really cool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 20, 2019 Report Share Posted February 20, 2019 Anyway, I'm just debating the value of the thermal cannon. I think Lyraeus' list looks fine. Seems a bit soft for him, but he's probably got some combo in mind that I don't see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyraeus Posted February 20, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2019 4 minutes ago, paxmiles said: Anyway, I'm just debating the value of the thermal cannon. I think Lyraeus' list looks fine. Seems a bit soft for him, but he's probably got some combo in mind that I don't see. You seem to think I am some just obliterating monster... Harsh. I am not a WAAC player. I like to win yes and I will do it in a direct manner but I don't sell my soul to win. I don't like taking bad choices though and I hate losing because I messed up somewhere 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyraeus Posted February 20, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2019 20 minutes ago, CaptainA said: I'd look at putting a thunder hammer/storm shield on the watch captain. Makes him much more surviveable. Yea his main thing is the Beacon Angelus. You drop him down where you want preferably in cover, pop the beacon move an entire DW squad surrounding him and voila instant character protection. I don't think he will hit combat much but I am going to be testing this out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 20, 2019 Report Share Posted February 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, Lyraeus said: You seem to think I am some just obliterating monster... Harsh. I am not a WAAC player. I like to win yes and I will do it in a direct manner but I don't sell my soul to win. I don't like taking bad choices though and I hate losing because I messed up somewhere And here I thought I was complimenting you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyraeus Posted February 20, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Lord Hanaur said: It will wreck a vehicle per round with fair ease. The storm shields play big as i learned. He likely Deep strikes the veterans in and unleashes with sotmrbolter fury and those are quite good at 12" range. The mauls and lances are an interesting choice and one you could debate but i like that he's using them. I think i would probably add the Mortars to the IG squads though to bury them deeper and protect them against counter battery fire. Also, because it reduces the number of units you have to drop. Just food for thought. Guard becomes a less mobile screen then because I will be Move Move Moving them around to better screen and push out opponent like GSC and such. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyraeus Posted February 20, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2019 5 minutes ago, paxmiles said: And here I thought I was complimenting you. Depends really. Some people like being known as ruthless. I am not. I am more Efficient than ruthless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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