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First new IG game last night


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Had a great game with Lance last night. First time out with the new dex and was super happy with the feel of the new book! I wanted to try some new things out and just generally poke around.

 

2k all Guard

HQ:  

Pask in a Punisher w/2 Exterminators

2 Enginseers

2 Primaris Psykers

 

TR:

Vets- carapace, 2 grenade launcheers, hvy flamer, bolter on sarge in Chimera

Vets- ditto

Vets- another ditto

 

HVY:

3 Vanilla Russes 

2 Vanquishers w/lazcannons

2 Wyvern

 

My thoughts and observations.

Carapace is a steal, actually making armor saves was a pleasant new experience.

The Wyverns got toasted before I could crack any tanks and expose the fleshy Eldar bits to them so no opinion today.

Prescience'd Vanquishers w/lazcannons are money. Stoopid cheatin serpents kept turning my beautiful pens into boring old glances though;)

Pask+Punisher...probably not uber competitive but crazy fun. Adding 2 Exterminators was a good fit.

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I liked the look of your list.  

I think the lack of scoring is going to be a real issue though.  

As much as engineseers make sense conceptually for the list, I just don't see their merit.

 

A stormlord would make this list even better!  :D  480 pts could be gotten by dropping the engineseers (80 pts), 3 chimeras (195), A Leman Russ (150), and then various upgrades or the like to get the last 55 pts.  

 

DO IT.  ESCALATION IS CALLING TO YOU!

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The way I have it now:

1. Pask's Punisher can be ordered to split fire from his Exterminator escorts

2. First Engineer can split fire the 2 prescience'd Las/Vanquishers

3. Second Enginseer can split fire the 3 prescience'd Russes

The thought is, I have good shooting but it comes from a limited number of units. Splitting off a main gun from each squadron allows me to reach out and touch more targets if necessary. More play testing is necessary!

 

Fluger: Damn, that does sound fun. I do love the Punisher and it's kind of a mega-Punisher...

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So as long as no one uses Warp Spiders, Swooping Hawks, Sternguard, Thunderfire Cannons, Crisis Suits, Flyrants, Daemon Princes, Manticores, or flyers of any sort, your Wyverns are safe.

 

I reiterate: good at killing infantry, but not likely to be alive to do it.

 

 

I think the key to put additional threats on the table greater or on par with the Wyvern AP.

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Saturation isn't undoable, but I'm not sure IG these days has a lot of other good 12/10/10 tanks they want to be dropping on the table. The Chimera isn't the powerhouse it used to be since 6th Ed nerfed transports so hard and the Taurox just isn't that great for what it does. Hellhounds are in the same class, but they do basically the exact same job as a Wyvern so I'm not sure why you would mix them. Armored Sentinels, maybe? They're enough cheaper to be possibly good, but I'm still not sure. I suppose there's allies, but that starts getting a lot more complex.

 

I don't think the Wyvern is horrible or anything, it just feels like it's doing a job IG can already do and without a lot of the advantages that make other, similar platforms advantageous.

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Saturation isn't undoable, but I'm not sure IG these days has a lot of other good 12/10/10 tanks they want to be dropping on the table. The Chimera isn't the powerhouse it used to be since 6th Ed nerfed transports so hard and the Taurox just isn't that great for what it does. Hellhounds are in the same class, but they do basically the exact same job as a Wyvern so I'm not sure why you would mix them. Armored Sentinels, maybe? They're enough cheaper to be possibly good, but I'm still not sure. I suppose there's allies, but that starts getting a lot more complex.

 

I don't think the Wyvern is horrible or anything, it just feels like it's doing a job IG can already do and without a lot of the advantages that make other, similar platforms advantageous.

 

The Threats dont have to come from the IG Codex AP

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I realize that, hence why I mentioned allies at the end. IG + Eldar is a combo I've had some level of success with, although with one of the main synergies (Psyker Battle Squad) gone, I don't think there's nearly as much impetus to bring them. IG + Tau has some interesting options available, but I haven't been able to come up with a specific list for them yet (and certainly not one that would want Wyverns over other choices.) Do you have something specific in mind here, or are you just thinking generally?

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