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https://www.goonhammer.com/the-goonhammer-review-warhammer-40000-the-app/

And their points are quite valid. I have no idea what GW was thinking when they pushed that out. Worst still, they clearly wanted people to subscribe right away. So full payment for a half done app. Would you pay full price for a model that was missing half of its components?

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So their stated reason for Necrons not getting any new content in PA was that the new Necron codex would be available “very soon” after indomitus dropped - it and the SM codex won’t even be up for preorder until October . . . 
Which pretty much guarantees some folks will be waiting all of 2021 to finally get theirs . . .

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I’m rounding off the dates a little; Indomitus releases the last week of July and the new codices will probably release the last week of October...

Remember, the precious edition came out in June 2017 and the first codices came out in July, August, and September.

The average edition has a five year life cycle. We can all just be a little patient, right?

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1 minute ago, Ish said:

I’m rounding off the dates a little; Indomitus releases the last week of July and the new codices will probably release the last week of October...

Remember, the precious edition came out in June 2017 and the first codices came out in July, August, and September.

GW won't release them at the same time. They will want to do pre-orders and previews without overlapping. Hence why the Gladiator was shown today. 

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Mid-month of October for preorder, two weeks later the book will drop. So that’s an October release for Codex: Space Marines.

Mid-month of November for preorder, two weeks later the next book will drop. So that’s an November release for Codex: Necrons.

Lather, rinse, repeat. 

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1 hour ago, Ish said:

Remember, the precious edition came out in June 2017 and the first codices came out in July, August, and September.

The average edition has a five year life cycle. We can all just be a little patient, right?

Thats a 3 year edition cycle, with a full year of waiting for some factions. If all things were equal and the points changes were applied more intelligently or timed with the new codexes I would agree with this, but it’s very easy for anyone playing Custodes or SM/Imperial variants to say that right now because their points increases were low relative to other factions and they get several great undercosted new units in Indomitus right now.

 
A lot of other armies saw large points increases to units which were already inefficient and not seen at tournaments for years. All the horde armies also lost their specialist detachments they needed in order to compete with Imperium. 
 
In addition to the obvious point inefficiency for Imperium vs anything else this creates, these two changes also have compounding effects. First there are fewer viable choices for non-imperium players to use which forces those players to rely on a smaller variety of units & stratagems. It also has the intended marketing effect of driving a bunch of people to abandon their old factions/lists and go buy the new more points efficient units. Because a larger portion of potential opponents are then using the undercosted Imperium units, all the remaining non-imperium players have to restrict their lists even more to the few units which are viable in order to stand a chance. And the final effect is that the imperium players - who have quadruple the units to choose from and can soup a points efficient unit for any role at 1CP - those players complain that the non-imperium lists are so identical or gimmicky or that someone brought three of X unit. Non-imperium players don’t have a choice when they can reasonably expect more than half of opponents to be playing with mathematically superior units and stratagems.
 
This is frankly terrible game design, forced to play second fiddle to market/sales demands of investors. Which is also why the new app is a joke. Psychic Awakening did a lot to help out non-Imperium factions but the points changes undid that progress by making those units too points inefficient again. There were also a lot of playtesters talking about 9th being a much more balanced game than 8th. Its disappointing to see the factions in most need of improvements will be waiting until next year because the codex release schedule will instead still be determined by what manipulates people into impulse buying far more models than they’ll ever use.
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in Eighth Edition the codices were released in the following order:  

  • Space Marines (1.0): July 2017  
  • Chaos Space Marines (1.0): August 2017  
  • Grey Knights: August 2017  
  • Death Guard: September 2017  
  • Adeptus Mechanicus: September 2017
  • Astra Militarum: October 2017
  • Craftworlds: October 2017
  • Tyrannids: November 2017
  • Blood Angels: December 2017
  • Dark Angels: December 2017
  • Chaos Dæmons: January 2018
  • Adeptus Custodes: January 2018
  • Thousand Sons: February 2018
  • T’au Empire: March 2018
  • Necrons: March 2018
  • Drukhari: March 2018
  • Deathwatch: May 2018
  • Harlequins: May 2018
  • Imperial Knights: June 2018
  • Space Wolves: August 2018
  • Gellerpox Infected: September 2018
  • Elucidian Starstriders: September 2018
  • Orks: November 2018
  • Genestealer Cults: February 2019
  • Vanguard Space Marines: March 2019
  • Dæmonkin: March 2019
  • Chaos Space Marines (2.0): March 2019
  • Adepta Sororitas: November 2019

So you’re looking at an average of one a month, with codices being released at a slightly faster pace early in an edition’s lifespan and slowing down toward the end.

Given that there are now twenty-six factions (I highly doubt the Gellarpox or Starstriders are coming back) even if they published two a month, nonstop, that’d be a year and a month for them all to come out.

Just relax and enjoy the game.

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1 hour ago, NewPlayer said:

This is frankly terrible game design, forced to play second fiddle to market/sales demands of investors. Which is also why the new app is a joke. Psychic Awakening did a lot to help out non-Imperium factions but the points changes undid that progress by making those units too points inefficient again. There were also a lot of playtesters talking about 9th being a much more balanced game than 8th. Its disappointing to see the factions in most need of improvements will be waiting until next year because the codex release schedule will instead still be determined by what manipulates people into impulse buying far more models than they’ll ever use.

This has been par for the course for GW games for the last 20 years. It's just the way the company operates. Either you accept it and play because you enjoy the game, or you move on to different games. Sometimes both.

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New Ork Boyz?

From the latest teaser video, we get these two brief snippets. It’s definitely an Ork of some kind, but the weapons seem kind of basic and what little of the body we can see doesn’t have much by way of flashy bling. So I’m thinking it’s not an HQ or an Elite, but just a basic rank-and-file grunt.

 

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The new Codex: Space Marines will replace the current Space Marine codex, as well as the other First Founding and Deathwatch codexes – making it an invaluable tome that covers all those elements common across the forces of the Space Marines. A literal Codex Astartes*.

Players using Chapters covered in the last Space Marine codex can carry on using their expansions with the new book – White Scars, Imperial Fists, Iron Hands, Ultramarines, Salamanders, Raven Guard and Black Templars using their codex expansion in the Psychic Awakening series.

For fans of the Dark Angels, Space Wolves, Blood Angels and Deathwatch?

If you have one of these armies, good news – not only do you get a shiny new core codex with loads of new toys to play with, but you also have a new codex supplement on the way. You’ll be able to tailor your Space Marines force to fully embody the theme and spirit of their Chapter, and of course, include all their unique units and heroes.

 

I know this will annoy a lot of my fellow players, but, allow me to say: About @&$#% time! 

I have hated, hated, hated, hated, hated, hated the design decision to have so many separate codices for Space Marine for the last couple decades. 

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Space Wolves had one of the better arguments for being a distinct army list, seeing as how they had far more unique units than the Blood Angels or Dark Angels (the other "Big Four" that usually got a separate codex). But, honestly, even then it always seemed like something that could be handled better with a single Codex: Space Marines and a two page spread of rules for each of the "big name" chapters... and then put the super-special stuff into an optional Codex Supplement: Space Wolves that has the extended fluff, the unique units, and that sort of thing.

 

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But even then I'm still in the same boat of having to buy my own Codex when it came out, probably later than the main Space Marine one, since all of our "special" stuff would be in its own book. This way the "big name" chapters get their own stuff at the same time as everyone else. I hope, since the Space Wolves won't have their own dedicated book, they won't skimp on the fluff which I do really enjoy. It would be nice to be caught up on galaxy events in the 41st Millennium since after Cadia fell and Vigilus became the new focal point I'm not sure what's really going on now in the "main storyline". That's probably because I haven't played 40k since last OFCC (sorry if mentioning OFCC was too soon).

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41 minutes ago, SigurdBC said:

But even then I'm still in the same boat of having to buy my own Codex when it came out, probably later than the main Space Marine one, since all of our "special" stuff would be in its own book.

In my idealized world, the main codex is the big fat $60 book and the supplements are thin little $30 books... maybe even $20 soft covers.

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1 hour ago, Ish said:

In my idealized world, the main codex is the big fat $60 book and the supplements are thin little $30 books... maybe even $20 soft covers.

I would love to live in that world. Seriously tell me when you find it. Check to make sure it doesn't have Covid-19 first, then we'll head over that rainbow into that happy place. 

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