AbusePuppy Posted May 26, 2014 Report Share Posted May 26, 2014 The barge is a Fast Skimmer Chariot. Another one I read in a post at Dakka...It appears that Super Heavys no longer give the 1 vp per 3hps of dmg suffered at the end of the game since its not listed as a rule in the new book. Actually, no. The only book that lists Lords of War options available to armies (in the normal game, at least) is Escalation, which has the "one VP per 3 HP" rule as part of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burk Posted May 26, 2014 Report Share Posted May 26, 2014 stupid question, where does it say that? in teh back of the 6e book, it was listed as FOST, not chariot, I intuitively know it is a chariot, but cannot find a reference....unless it was a FAQ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MauzDeadalive Posted May 26, 2014 Report Share Posted May 26, 2014 It was the FAQ...the codex came out before chariots existed in 40K if memory serves...and once they came out the FAQ added the Chariot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threejacks Posted May 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 26, 2014 Rcnjack, on 24 May 2014 - 08:06 AM, said: Another one I read in a post at Dakka...It appears that Super Heavys no longer give the 1 vp per 3hps of dmg suffered at the end of the game since its not listed as a rule in the new book. Abuse Puppy; "Actually, no. The only book that lists Lords of War options available to armies (in the normal game, at least) is Escalation, which has the "one VP per 3 HP" rule as part of it." I was wondering about this when I read that...I see that the rule "Thru Attrition,Victory" is part of the LoW detatchment rules not part of the Escalation Altar of Battle rules. Thnx for helping me get that cleared up:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intrizic Posted May 30, 2014 Report Share Posted May 30, 2014 Does Objective Secured (OS) bring more viability to a Deathwing? or just 2+ troops types in general? I think it does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murphy'sLawyer Posted May 30, 2014 Report Share Posted May 30, 2014 Does Objective Secured (OS) bring more viability to a Deathwing? or just 2+ troops types in general? I think it does. My beautiful Deathwing. Will you ever see the table again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mr. Bigglesworth Posted May 30, 2014 Report Share Posted May 30, 2014 I believe death wing benefit more from maelstrom cards than anything in this new edition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted May 30, 2014 Report Share Posted May 30, 2014 I got my book finally on Wednesday and finished reading through yesterday. I am overall very positive. I like what I'm seeing and need to try out Maelstrom before I pass judgement. Eternal War looks fine though and I like a lot of the changes. I've been noodling going back to Space Wolves for my first lists. Obj Sec and everything scoring means that RB spam and GH heavy lists are good again. Hmm... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbusePuppy Posted May 30, 2014 Report Share Posted May 30, 2014 The Eternal War missions are actually quite good this time around- probably the only real complaint I would have is that Scouring still has random values, which can be annoying, but with the objectives typically being placed in midfield that problem is greatly mitigated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluger Posted May 30, 2014 Report Share Posted May 30, 2014 My big complaint is that The Relic is not fixed. One can still move up jetbikes onto it on turn one, and then turboboost back in the same turn. I wish it was clearly not allowed to move more than 6" each player turn, not each phase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluger Posted May 30, 2014 Report Share Posted May 30, 2014 Also, now that any unit is scoring, scout bikers can just start on it, and then turbo boost off of it as well. Very dumb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonVilkee Posted May 30, 2014 Report Share Posted May 30, 2014 Also, now that any unit is scoring, scout bikers can just start on it, and then turbo boost off of it as well. Very dumb. As some one who never liked fast attack I like this gives them a reason. Extrapolating this vehicles themselves could also take the relic and flat out. This gives everybody (but nids) a way to grab it and play keep away... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottshoemaker Posted May 30, 2014 Report Share Posted May 30, 2014 It just occurred to me, I would expect to see various shifts in things like the allies matrix via Dataslates. Let's say Dataslate: Blood Axes allows Allies of Convenience of Astra Militarum, or a Dataslate: Traitor Guard that allows AoC CSM. Win for fluffy and tourny players, and cash for GW... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluger Posted May 30, 2014 Report Share Posted May 30, 2014 Vehicles CAN'T pick it up though. Seizing the Relic: A non-vehicle model in a scoring unit can seize the Relic by moving into base contact during the Movement phase – that model then automatically picks it up at the end of the phase. From that point, the Relic remains with the model (move the Relic with the model to show this) until it is dropped, which can happen voluntarily, but happens automatically if the model is slain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonVilkee Posted May 30, 2014 Report Share Posted May 30, 2014 Vehicles CAN'T pick it up though. Missed that thanks! Still means bikes of all sorts are more useful... Meh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mr. Bigglesworth Posted May 30, 2014 Report Share Posted May 30, 2014 My favorite is still available rhino wall Los blocking to prevent most shooting but assault too. Run and embark on anything still alive. Or do this inconjucntion with scouting bikes. Mission still favors speedy armies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted May 30, 2014 Report Share Posted May 30, 2014 My favorite is still available rhino wall Los blocking to prevent most shooting but assault too. Run and embark on anything still alive. Or do this inconjucntion with scouting bikes. Not sure what you mean here. Drive your rhinos around the Relic so no one can get to it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threejacks Posted May 30, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2014 As far as scoring units be sure to add in unoccupied but claimed buildings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted May 30, 2014 Report Share Posted May 30, 2014 As far as scoring units be sure to add in unoccupied but claimed buildings. Yeah, I saw that. Pretty amusing. Scoring Vengeance Batteries? Don't mind if I do. :) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mr. Bigglesworth Posted May 30, 2014 Report Share Posted May 30, 2014 Not sure what you mean here. Drive your rhinos around the Relic so no one can get to it? Yup scout three rhinos up and do like a wagon wall. Keep guys in so if popped footprint remains. As bike or tact squad runs back advance rhinos into line. Worked we'll for me. Not as good as jet bikes but still a fair tactic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InfestedKerrigan Posted June 2, 2014 Report Share Posted June 2, 2014 What's the significance of troops if everything is scoring now? Mind you, I don't have the new book yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonVilkee Posted June 2, 2014 Report Share Posted June 2, 2014 What's the significance of troops if everything is scoring now? Mind you, I don't have the new book yet. Objective secured Special rule. The same one the Sky blight gargoyles have. Basically Clown scoring, a unit with objective secured can only be contested by another unit with the rule. You can roll up with that elite unit and if they kill all the enemy in the area they can score, or you can run some troops in behind and score it even with that big daemon prince right there! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InfestedKerrigan Posted June 2, 2014 Report Share Posted June 2, 2014 Cool, so even in unbound lists, troops are still important for holding an objective. Unless of course your goal is to just table the opponent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mr. Bigglesworth Posted June 2, 2014 Report Share Posted June 2, 2014 Correct. You can take a minimalist troop list and have a chance maxing points on objectives. What I like is that losing all troops doesn't mean the end Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonVilkee Posted June 2, 2014 Report Share Posted June 2, 2014 Cool, so even in unbound lists, troops are still important for holding an objective. Unless of course your goal is to just table the opponent.Unbound lists don't get the bonus. Only armies that follow detachments get these bonuses. Unbound armies don't use detachments and therefore do not get benefits. The combined arms (traditional foc) gets two bonuses The warlord from it gets to reroll his warlord trait and troops in the detachment get objective secured. The bonuses a battle forged army gets are listed with the detachments and all models must be part of some detachment in order to claim the army is battle forged. Some detachments like the imperial knights don't get objective secured but as the book says it is a detachment it would allow you to add them following those restrictions and still claim battle forged status for a combined arms foc (traditional one) gaining you objective secured on troop units in the combined arms foc. Kinda complicated but I really like it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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