VonVilkee Posted June 1, 2014 Report Share Posted June 1, 2014 So characters don't have precision strikes nor precision shots! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doc Posted June 1, 2014 Report Share Posted June 1, 2014 You are correct... Mostly. It is a generic rule; 6's to hit are precision shot/strike for everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonVilkee Posted June 1, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2014 You are correct... Mostly. It is a generic rule; 6's to hit are precision shot/strike for everyone. What page? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluger Posted June 1, 2014 Report Share Posted June 1, 2014 OK, from yesterday. VonVilkee proposed that conjured units do not gain the objective secured rule even when conjured into Battle Forged armies. Reason being, objective secured units must be part of a detachment and part of the FOC, units that are conjured are not part of the FOC and therefore not part of the detachment technically. So, while they can score (like anything else), they are not OS. I follow the logic on this, but it is not clearly laid out. Someone please counter point this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted June 1, 2014 Report Share Posted June 1, 2014 Precision is a special rule and is not given to all models. Looks like characters lost it an pretty much just snipers and orders give it now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonVilkee Posted June 1, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2014 Precision is a special rule and is not given to all models. Looks like characters lost it an pretty much just snipers and orders give it now. That matches my findings. Just when I was finally starting to remember it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doc Posted June 1, 2014 Report Share Posted June 1, 2014 What page? I have a digital version, so I'm not sure what page it would be... "Precision Shots If a model with this special rule rolls a 6 To Hit with a shooting weapon, that shot is a ‘Precision Shot’. Wounds from Precision Shots are allocated against a model (or models) of your choice in the target unit, as long as it is in range and line of sight of the firer, rather than following the normal rules for Wound allocation. A character that has a Precision Shot Wound allocated to it can still make a Look Out, Sir roll. Note that Snap Shots and shots from weapons that scatter, or do not roll To Hit, can never be Precision Shots." So if you have that rule - and to your point Characters don't have it automatically now - you have it.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted June 1, 2014 Report Share Posted June 1, 2014 Which is different from earlier when you said everyone has it. ;) I think we are sorted now though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluger Posted June 1, 2014 Report Share Posted June 1, 2014 OK, now how about conjured units not having objective secured? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluger Posted June 1, 2014 Report Share Posted June 1, 2014 Am I correct that there is no limitation on models in terminator armor embarking on drop pods? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingpin Posted June 1, 2014 Report Share Posted June 1, 2014 You are correct. Space wolves drop pod wolf guard termies all the time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonVilkee Posted June 1, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2014 Yep utility is the problem Fluger. Regular Marines won't be able to combat and still fit any character let alone terminator armor. Rhinos are the only thing with the termi restriction. Well storms also have a restriction but that is scout armor only Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluger Posted June 1, 2014 Report Share Posted June 1, 2014 Well, what I'm imagining is a Chapter Master drop podding in with a unit of honor guard. Turn he shows up he drops the orbital barrage, and then starts wrecking havoc in melee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonVilkee Posted June 1, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2014 Well, what I'm imagining is a Chapter Master drop podding in with a unit of honor guard. Turn he shows up he drops the orbital barrage, and then starts wrecking havoc in melee. That would work, I just always went the shooty route as you never get far from the pod. On paper combat seems like it would work but it rarely goes to plan, pod scatters, no good spot to land, lack of support, then the opponent can hit you with something awkward for them to fight... Honor guard would prolly work better than the stuff I've tried. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mr. Bigglesworth Posted June 2, 2014 Report Share Posted June 2, 2014 Slow unit easy to dance from but works inconjucntion with multiple pods to corral in prey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tombking Posted June 2, 2014 Report Share Posted June 2, 2014 Well, what I'm imagining is a Chapter Master drop podding in with a unit of honor guard. Turn he shows up he drops the orbital barrage, and then starts wrecking havoc in melee. That counts as Ordnance and he may not be able to use it if he has moved. But I haven't used it since the old codex and you could not move if you used that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mr. Bigglesworth Posted June 2, 2014 Report Share Posted June 2, 2014 Termie armor gives relentless which allows it to count as stationary so can get shot off after deepstriking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InfestedKerrigan Posted June 2, 2014 Report Share Posted June 2, 2014 Did 6th not allow Termies in pods? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbusePuppy Posted June 2, 2014 Report Share Posted June 2, 2014 OK, now how about conjured units not having objective secured? Only models that are part of a Combined Arms or Allied detachment gain the Objective Secured rule. Conjured daemons will not have it, neither will models that are part of any other type of detachment (such as Knights, Inquisitorial detachments, formations, etc.) Am I correct that there is no limitation on models in terminator armor embarking on drop pods? Can and always have been allowed to. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaosGerbil Posted June 2, 2014 Report Share Posted June 2, 2014 Ok now the AM discrepancies with precision all make sense. Conjured units not getting OS makes them more balanced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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