Stoobert Posted June 5, 2014 Report Share Posted June 5, 2014 The Colossus (now Forgeworld rules) has a range of 24" - 240" but "Cannot Fire Directly". With the new 7th Ed rules does this mean: 1. it cannot ever get its BS skill subtracted from scatter dice 2. it cannot fire under 24" Or something else I don't get? Thx. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluger Posted June 5, 2014 Report Share Posted June 5, 2014 It is BOTH. Here are the barrage rules: BARRAGE Barrage weapons lob shells high into the air, landing them in the midst of the foe. All Barrage weapons use blast markers and consequently use the rules for Blast weapons, as indicated by their profile, with the following exceptions: • Barrage weapons can fire indirectly. This means they can fire at a target that they do not have line of sight to, as long as the target is beyond their minimum range (if applicable). When firing indirectly, the Ballistic Skill of the firer is not subtracted from the scatter distance; unless a Hit! is rolled on the scatter dice, the blast marker always scatters a full 2D6". If a Barrage weapon has line of sight to its target it can fire directly, even if the target is within its minimum range. • To determine whether a unit wounded by a Barrage weapon is allowed a cover save, and when determining Wound allocation, always assume the shot is coming from the centre of the blast marker, instead of from the firing model. Hits against vehicles are always resolved against their side armour. So, critically, barrage weapons follow the rules for blast weapons but CAN fire indirect. The changes for indirect fire now mean that even if one can draw LOS to the target, they still don't reduce BS, so, you will never be reducing your BS with a colossus. Additionally, since the colossus cannot fire directly, it can never target anything within it's minimum range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluger Posted June 5, 2014 Report Share Posted June 5, 2014 That's important info for me as well since I use griffons which ALSO cannot fire directly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoobert Posted June 5, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2014 Thanks! Ouch, that's a pretty big restriction - 24" is a long ways out. I like the Colossus a lot but might have to reconsider it for my army. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluger Posted June 5, 2014 Report Share Posted June 5, 2014 Hey, I'm reading IA and I don't see where it says that Coloussus and Griffon can only fire indirect. That was in the 5th Ed IG book, but not in this one. IS THERE HOPE!??! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mr. Bigglesworth Posted June 5, 2014 Report Share Posted June 5, 2014 You use current rule set which I would bet ia is current for anything not in current AM book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluger Posted June 5, 2014 Report Share Posted June 5, 2014 Yeah. That's what I'm doing with the griffons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoobert Posted June 5, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2014 I'm reading IA and I don't see where it says that Coloussus and Griffon can only fire indirect. Oh, great news! Sorry for my misinterpretation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aventine Posted June 5, 2014 Report Share Posted June 5, 2014 Stu! I am trying to PM you, but cannot! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluger Posted June 5, 2014 Report Share Posted June 5, 2014 Oh, great news! Sorry for my misinterpretation. No big deal, I didn't realize IA didn't have the same restrictions as the 5th ed IG book. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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