Andrewgeddon Posted January 19, 2023 Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 So I've been chatting with a few people about "Indexhammer;" playing 40K using the 8th edition indices and just the the core stratagems that were available when 8th edition was launched. I'm have the 8th Ed rulebook and some of the indicies, but I played very little 8th. I'm wondering if anyone who played more of it might recall: -Reading through the rules, was the only requirement for army construction that the unit had to share a faction keyword, including superfaction keywords? From my reading of the rules, you can freely mix CSM and Demons in the same detachment because they both share the Chaos keyword. Was the "they must share a faction keyword OTHER than the superfaction keywords" something that was added down the line, or am I missing it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ish Posted January 19, 2023 Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 Yes, when the edition launched there was no distinction between “super-factions” and “factions.” The intent was to make it easy for players to splash a few Daemons into the Chaos Marines list, have a couple of units Space Marines help out their Imperial Guard, etc. But, of course, the “competitive” players quickly created the non-sense that was Imperial Soup. Finding the absolute best unit for each FOC slot from across all 24,601 Imperial factions and only using that. So you had armies that were drawing from twenty different factions… 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrewgeddon Posted January 19, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 Ok, thank you! That's how I remember it, but it's been so long I wasn't 100%. If we end up playing Indexhammer, I don't think any of us will be trying to abuse the system, seems like just a fun way to play a army that's still thematic without having to cart around a ton of books / cards / tokens / etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrewgeddon Posted January 21, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2023 Actually found a few other interested players! Trying to remember the last time I made a 40K list on actual pen and paper, lol. Thank the Emperor/Chaos/Hive Mind for Power Level 😅 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Glacius Posted January 22, 2023 Report Share Posted January 22, 2023 I'd be down for playing that way. Pretty sure I have all the indexes too. I'll have to go take a look. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrewgeddon Posted January 22, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2023 1 hour ago, Brother Glacius said: I'd be down for playing that way. Pretty sure I have all the indexes too. I'll have to go take a look. Nice! Let me know, we've got a little WhatsApp group going to chat about it, but I can certainly post here when we're thinking about meeting up for some games 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrewgeddon Posted January 22, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2023 I have some availability Tuesday/Wed/Thursday AM in Vancouver, if anyone wants to struggle through a game of Indexhammer at Dice Age or Mindtaker 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Glacius Posted January 23, 2023 Report Share Posted January 23, 2023 hmmmmm might be able to try for a game at MM. I'll need to check with the wife unit. Oh wait, you said AM...that does not work for me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrewgeddon Posted January 31, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2023 Anyone down for an Indexhammer game on Saturday afternoon / evening? I've got 100 Power Level of sweet, single detachment Tyranids that are ready to rumble! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ish Posted January 31, 2023 Report Share Posted January 31, 2023 Slight problem with Index-hammer for me: my army doesn’t exist! Index only has rules for Custodian Guard, basic Venerable Contemptor Dreadnought, and Venerable Land Raider… Because that was their entire range at the end of WH40k 7th Edition. They didn’t even have an HQ yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrewgeddon Posted January 31, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2023 16 minutes ago, Ish said: Slight problem with Index-hammer for me: my army doesn’t exist! Index only has rules for Custodian Guard, basic Venerable Contemptor Dreadnought, and Venerable Land Raider… Because that was their entire range at the end of WH40k 7th Edition. They didn’t even have an HQ yet. I don't know the Custodes codex very well, but for units that came out after the Indicies, I would say that using their Power Levels and adjusting any army abilities that reference army rules that aren't in the Indicies should make them fairly easy to plug into Indexhammer? Adjusting as needed? Goal for me is to have fun pushing around models without having to deal with all the bookkeeping or bloat, totally down for find something that works for people 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrewgeddon Posted January 31, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2023 Taking just a cursory look at something like a "Shield Captain," I think if you took off the "Martial Ka’tah" and the "Master of Stances" upgrade, you could otherwise plug him into Indexhammer without any issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ish Posted January 31, 2023 Report Share Posted January 31, 2023 Or just flat out run them using their 8th Edition codex, which lacked the silly ka’tah stuff altogether and ignoring most of their stratagems… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrewgeddon Posted January 31, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2023 3 minutes ago, Ish said: Or just flat out run them using their 8th Edition codex, which lacked the silly ka’tah stuff altogether and ignoring most of their stratagems… Oh duh, I guess they did have an 8th ed codex, huh? lol. Yeah, I would be fine playing against that. I would say to keep in consistent with the Index armies, you would have to cut out some of the stuff that the Index armies don't have: -Stratagems -Subfactions -Warlord Traits and Relics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ish Posted January 31, 2023 Report Share Posted January 31, 2023 8th Edition Custodes didn’t have subfactions, had very little in the way of relics and traits, and the only stratagems I ever used were re-rolls, tanglefoot grenades, and the deep strike option. Because stratagems annoy me. So, yeah, good to go. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrewgeddon Posted January 31, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2023 7 hours ago, Ish said: 8th Edition Custodes didn’t have subfactions, had very little in the way of relics and traits, and the only stratagems I ever used were re-rolls, tanglefoot grenades, and the deep strike option. Because stratagems annoy me. So, yeah, good to go. Nice! Let me know if you'd like to get a game in. I'm normally good for Sunday at Ordo (though not this Sunday, my kid's friend is having his birthday party), or I can usually make a Saturday work. I'm in Vancouver, but totally down to come to Portland 🙂 EDIT: Looks like I actually have a game lined up for Saturday, but happy to schedule something for an upcoming weekend! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrewgeddon Posted March 23, 2023 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2023 Looks like Indexhammer is getting an update in the form the 10th edition! Excited to see how it looks after the refresh, even if I don't currently have any plays to pick up any books past the new Indices. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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