Avatar of Khaine spam?

[Guest]

Just wondering, with multiple CADs, looks like fielding several of these is both legal and intended to some degree. Could you make a working list with 5, or so, Eldar Avatars?

 

Basically, 1 avatar and 2 units of 3 eldar bikes is 297pts and is a complete CAD. At 1800pts, I can legally field 6 avatars, 12 units of 3 eldar bikers and still have a few points remaining.

 

So, can anyone think up a viable list that spams avatars?

[InfestedKerrigan]

I've never heard "Viable" and "Avatar" used in a sentence in the way you are suggesting.

[Guest]

I've never heard "Viable" and "Avatar" used in a sentence in the way you are suggesting.

To be fair, the current Avatar for eldar has a pretty impressive statline, especially if combined with Runes of Battle or Daemonology via Warlocks. The Avatar is specifically 1 per detachment, but is not a unique character. Fielding 2, or more, is an option, it just means multiple CADs.

 

Granted, this would certainly be a "unique" eldar list...

[WestRider]

Roughly what's his defensive statline now? I haven't seen one on the table since the start of 5th, and don't have my Eldar Dex at hand. Something like T6, W5, 4++ Sv?

[Guest]

Roughly what's his defensive statline now? I haven't seen one on the table since the start of 5th, and don't have my Eldar Dex at hand. Something like T6, W5, 4++ Sv?

T6, 5 wounds, 3+/5++, and total immunity to flamer, melta soul blaze, and pyromancy. 

 

He's also a true monster in close combat. He is a daemon, so the santic powers impair him, while the malefic powers can buff him. Eldar has full access to daemonology, even on warlocks. He also has that in-built melta gun and access to some exarch powers.

 

In terms of offensive ability, aside from the exarch power access and an impressive statline, it's very notable that he's armed with an ap1 melee weapon.

 

Anyway, I do think the wraith knight/lord has a better profile/rules, I'm just wondering if an avatar spamming eldar list could be made viable.

 

I do think that some armies, ones which make heavy use of either soul blaze, or melta would find avatar spamming to be a bit challenging, especially if combined with eldar warlocks summoning daemons...

[Guest]

Oh, He's also legally modeled on a 40mm base, whose still way too short to represent his statline. Should be considered, given that hiding him in deployment would be way easier than that wraithknight, or even the wraithlord.

 

Anyway, in terms of viability, I'm positive I could get two made viable, especially as he's still got that AoE which makes eldar fearless. That's dual eldar CADs, and it do-able. More than two and the rest of the army starts getting less impressive because their more token elements than before.

[WestRider]

OK, the 3+ Sv makes it a bit better, but still, between Plasma/Lascannon-type stuff and massed S6-7 poor AP firepower, 6 of those are going down about as fast as 6 Fexen and a Tärv. Which is pretty fast. By my experience, at 1850, against solid Armies, and with nothing to really mess with Target Priority, you're usually going to be losing about two of those a Turn.

[Guest]

OK, the 3+ Sv makes it a bit better, but still, between Plasma/Lascannon-type stuff and massed S6-7 poor AP firepower, 6 of those are going down about as fast as 6 Fexen and a Tärv. Which is pretty fast. By my experience, at 1850, against solid Armies, and with nothing to really mess with Target Priority, you're usually going to be losing about two of those a Turn.

Kinda what I thought.

 

How about a list with just 2 in it? I think keeping 2 alive would be pretty feasible, as they'd just be hidden in the backfield as a "counter assault unit." Meanwhile, their 12" fearless bubble would allow certain eldar units, like guardians and support weapon batteries, to operate without leadership assistance.

 

I suppose, if a non-avatar character was the warlord, you could use the avatars as decoy assault units in a pure assault army. Not strictly decoys, but units that you expect to die while the rest of the army get's into assault range.

 

The big drawback I see with the avatar, is that it's slow. An eldar army focused on mobility, like most eldar units, doesn't work too well with the avatar.

[Guest]

It is niche, but I am looking up scenarios where this list typic would be amazing.

 

The first list version here:

http://www.ordofanaticus.com/index.php?/topic/22346-2k-ravenguard-force/

 

Also, an imperial knight list with those melta cannons would get destroyed by avatar spam...