pretre Posted October 6, 2014 Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 Artillery models have 0 Strength. If they take a wound from helfrost, they autofail the test to be removed from play, right? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestRider Posted October 6, 2014 Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 Yep. Better get some spare crew out front if you've got Arty taking fire from Hellfrost guns. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted October 6, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 Man, I love those flyers more and more. Had to expand my space wolves to 2 shelves now because of them. muahahha 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 6, 2014 Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 Don't have the SW 'dex, what's the profile on the weapon in question? I will note that although RAW is that they'd auto-fail, in the past, GW has FAQed it the opposite of what the BRB rules say with regards to artillery. Just something to keep in mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psilence Posted October 6, 2014 Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 I believe it's a 'pass a str check or removed from play', or the like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 6, 2014 Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 I believe it's a 'pass a str check or removed from play', or the like. Can I get the whole profile? Sounds pretty vague, as this quote leads me to ask if it applies to walkers... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted October 6, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 Helfrost: When a model suffers one or more unsaved Wounds from this weapon, it mustpass a separate Strength test for each Wound suffered or be removed from play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 6, 2014 Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 Helfrost: When a model suffers one or more unsaved Wounds from this weapon, it must pass a separate Strength test for each Wound suffered or be removed from play. Interesting. Not a huge issue for artillery, as most have only 2 wounds, and high toughness and good saves and very low point costs. It's not dramatically different than having ID vs artillery... Does it deny cover or 3+ armor saves? How about invulnerable saves? EDIT: by not a huge issue, I just mean that it really doesn't make them dramatically less durable than they already are. It would be annoying, but once my opponent starts shooting at my artillery, it usually means their death unless they only have a few models in range. I will also note that as the helfrost is flyer mounted, I can insure at least a round of artillery fire if this represents your artillery solution... Not exactly a huge problem for an artillery unit which I don't really expect to last more than a turn or so (looking at you, thunderfire). Perhaps more threat to eldar, as they can field the more expensive artillery units. Still, they have easy access to shrouding on their artillery (warlocks), so if it lacks cover denial, it shouldn't be too challenging to ignore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted October 6, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 Both versions deny 3 plus saves. S8 ap1 and s6 ap3 blast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted October 6, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 Well there's a bolter version but no one takes that one. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 6, 2014 Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 See the edit line above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 6, 2014 Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 So basically, you deny artillery armor, but they are very often in cover, so really not very impressive. The 2 wounds for each dealt is nice, no question, but it doesn't seem like a very impressive artillery solution. Killing the crew is often much easier, as is just pinning followed by ignoring them... Poisoned and sniper weapons should be much more impressive here. Anyway, it does function as you asked in the original post. Seems like a wasted shot, but if you lack a better target, go for it. My land raiders still laugh at the new SW flyers....their cargo is certainly threatening, but the vehicles aren't. SW often don't field adequate AT solutions for AV14... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted October 6, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 Your land raider laughs at 2 multimeltas and a lascannon? Unlikely. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted October 6, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 And it wasn't a tactical point or anything, just a rules inquiry... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadaver2k Posted October 7, 2014 Report Share Posted October 7, 2014 Now now guys, put the torches down. How did the fliers do for you at ofcc, any notable kills? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadaver2k Posted October 7, 2014 Report Share Posted October 7, 2014 Now now guys, put the torches down. How did the fliers do for you at ofcc, any notable kills? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadaver2k Posted October 7, 2014 Report Share Posted October 7, 2014 Oops, two for one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted October 7, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 7, 2014 Now now guys, put the torches down. How did the fliers do for you at ofcc, any notable kills?if my whole army was stormwolves I would have tabled all my opponents. Those things are crazy. Once I learned that you should never hover an just fly around nuking stuff, they killed the crap out of stuff. Centurions, terminators, bikes, tanks... The prevalence of elite units really worked for them. I'm only sad I didn't get any dog fights. In future lists, I'd just put minimal units in or take them as fast. The GH banner one was a great choice too. Super easy to get that bubble where you need it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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