Romans832 Posted December 10, 2014 Report Share Posted December 10, 2014 So bro, Pour, & I are looking at going to the Doubles Tourney this weekend. Bro suggested going with an Hover Theme Farseer Spirit Seer 4x Wave Serpents, Scatter Laser & Shuri Cannon 2x 5 Dire Avengers 2x 4 Dire Avengers 986 ish points... Anyone got any ideas to put into play with this? Drop 2 Serpents and go Fire Prisms? (Don't have my list around me to play with) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PourSpelur Posted December 10, 2014 Report Share Posted December 10, 2014 Needs more Russes. Real men put their faith in steel treads, poncy little elves float around writing poems and braiding each other friendship bracelets. Other than that, no idea. I'm horrible at lists. ;) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 10, 2014 Report Share Posted December 10, 2014 So bro, Pour, & I are looking at going to the Doubles Tourney this weekend. Bro suggested going with an Hover Theme Farseer Spirit Seer 4x Wave Serpents, Scatter Laser & Shuri Cannon 2x 5 Dire Avengers 2x 4 Dire Avengers 986 ish points... Anyone got any ideas to put into play with this? Drop 2 Serpents and go Fire Prisms? (Don't have my list around me to play with) So if I bring AV13, what do you do about it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PumpkinHead Posted December 10, 2014 Report Share Posted December 10, 2014 Yeah, a couple of fire prisms might help out. 2 OS troops that can zoom anywhere to contest is good enough to annoy people while blowing them away with 2 fire prisms and 2 waveserpents. Are you taking the upgrade that allows them to jink on a 4+ ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romans832 Posted December 10, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2014 Of course! So looks like: Farseer Spiritseer 2x Dire Avengers 10 2x Wave Serpents: Scatter Lasers, Shuriken Canon, Serpent Shield, & Holo Fields 2x Fire Prisms w/Holo Fields Comes to a flat 1k! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgosaurusrex Posted December 10, 2014 Report Share Posted December 10, 2014 Of course! So looks like: Farseer Spiritseer 2x Dire Avengers 10 2x Wave Serpents: Scatter Lasers, Shuriken Canon, Serpent Shield, & Holo Fields 2x Fire Prisms w/Holo Fields Comes to a flat 1k! I'm fairly certain that Wave Serpents can't take Holo-Fields. Why not each take something like this: Autarch w/ Fusion Gun 5 Fire Dragons 1x Wave Serpent w/ Scatter Laser & Shuriken Cannon 2x5 Dire Avengers 2x Wave Serpent w/ Scatter Laser & Shuriken Cannon 2x Fire Prism w/ Holo-Fields This should be right around 1k. I don't like Farseers or Spiritseers in this list as most of their psychic powers don't do anything when inside a vehicle. The Autarch provides a 6th meltagun and a handy reserve roll bonus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dashneeb Posted December 10, 2014 Report Share Posted December 10, 2014 I would tend to agree, that you would need something more like the Autarch instead of a Farseer. I like the Autarch list much, much better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 10, 2014 Report Share Posted December 10, 2014 Got a nightspinner? Indirect weapons are amazing, especially a low point levels. I will note as vehicles don't have initiative 4 or higher, this bad boy is S8 against their side armor, leaving you with the ability to glance AV14 and pen just about any enemy barrage vehicles in the game. This guy also has that flamer fire mode, which is also nice as scout marines are more common at lower point levels. I'd swap one of the fire prisms for a night spinner. I'd also second the push for fusion blasters, though I'm not sure you need 6 at 1k game levels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgosaurusrex Posted December 10, 2014 Report Share Posted December 10, 2014 I wouldn't look at it as 6 Fusion Blasters at 1k, but as 12 Fusion Blasters at 2k. That changes my perspective at least. I know most of my team tournament lists have included 3 Land Raiders at 2k... and I wouldn't be surprised if Knights made an appearance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 10, 2014 Report Share Posted December 10, 2014 I wouldn't look at it as 6 Fusion Blasters at 1k, but as 12 Fusion Blasters at 2k. That changes my perspective at least. I know most of my team tournament lists have included 3 Land Raiders at 2k... and I wouldn't be surprised if Knights made an appearance. 3 land raiders? I can bring 5 and two vengeance weapon batteries EDIT: actually, 5 landraiders, 2 vengeance batteries, and sammy on his AV14 speeder. DA combined with GK nsf detachment. I even have 5pts to spare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romans832 Posted December 10, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2014 Guys, this is a nubs team 1k tourney. I'm not Torg. I don't own an autarch. Since when couldn't wave serpents take holo fields? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 10, 2014 Report Share Posted December 10, 2014 I'm not Torg. Says king of eldar on your title, and has a well painted harley for the picture. Why wouldn't I think you were torg....? Sorry about that, total fail on my part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romans832 Posted December 10, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2014 LOL no problem Pax! I had to give myself some kind of title. He and I both have a great passion for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgosaurusrex Posted December 10, 2014 Report Share Posted December 10, 2014 Since when couldn't wave serpents take holo fields? Sorry, for some reason my mind wandered back to the 4th edition codex. Wave Serpents definitely can take Holo-Fields. You can easily use a Fire Dragon Exarch as an Autarch with a Fusion Gun. The Farseer won't do much good unless it's on a Jetbike. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romans832 Posted December 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2014 No problem!Autarch over Fuegen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romans832 Posted December 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2014 Autarch w/Fusion Gun Fire Dragons x5 2x DAs x5 WS x3 FP x2 Is 1035... think we need a better plan than that if we're going to sell the idea of Fire Dragons! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgosaurusrex Posted December 11, 2014 Report Share Posted December 11, 2014 Fuegan would definitely be fun in a team tournament like this! I like the Autarch as he is cheaper and adds to reserve rolls. If you are playing against a Drop Pod army you will want that reserve bonus. Rather than taking 3 Fire Prisms, you could take 2 and use the remaining points for a minimum unit of Swooping Hawks? They are fantastic for late game objective capturing and contesting. They also work very well with the Autarch's reserve modifier as you can keep them back if you want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torg Posted December 11, 2014 Report Share Posted December 11, 2014 I'm not Torg. what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
generalripphook Posted December 11, 2014 Report Share Posted December 11, 2014 what? Yeah I am really confused too, I've read this thread like three or four times...what does Torg have to do with anything? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romans832 Posted December 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2014 It's actually only 2 FP... 35 points over and everything is bare min w/out taking out a tank or what not... Pax accidently called me Torg... upon realizing his mistake he edited it... Please disreguard as that has already passed by Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgosaurusrex Posted December 11, 2014 Report Share Posted December 11, 2014 One of us must have our points costs mixed up. I'm going from memory, but I've made countless mechanized Eldar lists from the 6th edition codex and I'm pretty sure these costs are correct: Autarch w/ Fusion Gun 80 5 Fire Dragons 110 2x5 Dire Avengers 130 3x Wave Serpent 390 (each has Twin-Linked Scatter Laser & Shuriken Cannon) 2x Fire Prism 230 Total: 940 This leaves you with 60 points left for Holo-Fields or Spirit Stones as needed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romans832 Posted December 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2014 Autarch w/Fusion 80 Fire Dragonsx5 110 2xDire Avengersx5 130 3xWS 435 (TLScatter, Shuri Can, SS, & Holo Fields) 115+5+10+15 2xFire Prisms 280 (Holo Fields) 125+15 1035 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgosaurusrex Posted December 11, 2014 Report Share Posted December 11, 2014 Looks like I was off on the base cost of the Fire Prisms. I didn't realize you were taking so many points in vehicle upgrades. Dropping the Holo-Fields from the Wave Serpents would save you 45 points... You have to jink to use them in most cases anyway. That would put you below 1k and still be a very respectable list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romans832 Posted December 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2014 You don't think Holo Fields are worth it? Hmmm.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgosaurusrex Posted December 11, 2014 Report Share Posted December 11, 2014 I like them on the Fire Prisms as they can often hang back and claim cover saves. But now that skimmers don't automatically get a Jink save by moving I feel they aren't worth the points for the more "close range" Wave Serpents. You really shouldn't be jinking with the primary offensive portion of your army. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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