KAPcom Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 Alright, discussion time. What is everyone's opinions on being eligible to win a best painted award with an army that was commissioned / bought? Should you have to paint your army yourself, or is the award reserved for the best of the best, no matter the artist? I would love to hear your thoughts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 It's almost impossible to know unless the person tells you, isn't it? I'm guessing someone won best painted this weekend with a commissioned army though. :) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluger Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 I think Best Painted is Best Painted. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PourSpelur Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 If I personally had a pro painted army, this is how I'd do it. Tell the judges, this wasn't painted by me. Please critique and score as normal. If I win a prize please pass it on down to the next tier. Second place gets first prize, third gets second etc... Everyone wins. You get to know your army won and nobody gets but hurt about prizes. Just my personal take though. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 If I personally had a pro painted army, this is how I'd do it. Tell the judges, this wasn't painted by me. Please critique and score as normal. If I win a prize please pass it on down to the next tier. Second place gets first prize, third gets second etc... Everyone wins. You get to know your army won and nobody gets but hurt about prizes. Just my personal take though. That's how I would do it, but since events don't really set that out as a guideline or rule I wouldn't be butthurt if someone didn't. What has ticked me off in the past is when an army that is not completely painted, not WYSIWYG or not based wins best painted due to flukes in how it works. (Like events that use player votes for painting, and the real best painted wins overall, second best wins general and then some guy with a partially unpainted army wins best painted.) I put a lot of effort into making sure my army is completely painted, based and WYSYWYG and hate it when someone would win out over me by not doing so. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torg Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 I think the painter… of the army should win… not the purchaser or the painting. If you have a commissioned army - you should let the judges know so they can decide how they want to do things. To me best painter should be reserved for the person whom did the work. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swan-of-War Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 Well, how would you feel if I paid someone to play my games for me yet I accepted the award for Best General? Ethically, it's best to bow out if your army was commissioned. When I first started playing I bought a pro-painted Wraithlord off of Ebay and changed it a bit to make it my own - but was always quick to point out that I didn't paint certain parts (mostly because I couldn't explain how it was done!). You're not doing the work, you shouldn't be taking the credit. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steel Angel Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 Personally I don't really care. There is a diff though between a best painted army, and best general. Best painted is just for how an army looks nothing more it's not a Who's the best painter award. Where a Best General award is for just that who is the best General. One is judging an item the other a person. If you go by the pretense of if they painted it themselves or bought it. Then weather they scratched built it, or just bought a pre-made model should be a factor too. I think easier just to judge the model not the person. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottshoemaker Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 I'm old school. You must paint your army to win Best Painted. This is a point my opinion does not flex. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 If you go by the pretense of if they painted it themselves or bought it. Then weather they scratched built it, or just bought a pre-made model should be a factor too. I think easier just to judge the model not the person. Most big paint judging has bonus points or categories for scratch build/conversion, etc. It's part of the rubric. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottshoemaker Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 Personally I don't really care. There is a diff though between a best painted army, and best general. Best painted is just for how an army looks nothing more it's not a Who's the best painter award. Where a Best General award is for just that who is the best General. One is judging an item the other a person. If you go by the pretense of if they painted it themselves or bought it. Then weather they scratched built it, or just bought a pre-made model should be a factor too. I think easier just to judge the model not the person. Best Painted is not the same as Best Appearance. I've awarded both type of Bests depending on the category. Killer conversions and scratchbuilds backing with an average paint job do not equal Best Painted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Glacius Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 If you win a game on pure luck as opposed to actual tactics being used, do you deserve Best General? If your opponent outplayed you, but the dice failed them time and time again, did you earn that win? The point is, it doesn't matter. You can't control everything, and you can't guarantee that someone is going to be honest. Does it really matter if they painted the army? While it would be nice to award someone for doing a great painting job...the award is for best painted army...not for best painter. So award the army, not the person...because you just can't be sure. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steel Angel Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 Best Painted is not the same as Best Appearance. I've awarded both type of Bests depending on the category. Killer conversions and scratchbuilds backing with an average paint job do not equal Best Painted. But that's the thing Best Painted, Best Appearance, And Best Painter Are by name different awards. The two former are gen. awards where the latter is a personal one. I'm all for either. all i'm saying is if you want it to be a personal award make it one 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steel Angel Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 Personally I want to know why there's nvr. any Best Background/fluff award? Thats just as much part of the hobby but always seem to be ignored. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMGraham Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 I'm old school. You must paint your army to win Best Painted. This is a point my opinion does not flex. Pretty much this. The idea of winning an award based on someone else's hobby is abhorrent. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
generalripphook Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 So the question is should you get a paint score if you didn't paint your own army? Doesn't paint scores contribute to best overall? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 So the question is should you get a paint score if you didn't paint your own army? Doesn't paint scores contribute to best overall? Yes. Yes. You just shouldn't win best appearance or best painted. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Trainer Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 I agree, it doesn't matter to me. It's displayed and presented, they paid to get in just like everyone else. AS Brother G stated, it's an army like any other. Whether the actual person painted it or not is irrelevant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swan-of-War Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 Disagree - you're essentially paying to win. Just because I (theoretically) have the money to buy a pro-painted army is a slap to the face to those who have humbler means and pour their heart / soul / talent into their army. I'm not doing anything other than writing a check. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steel Angel Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 There's a difference between " I won cause I painted this army." and " This army won cause it was painted great. " Your awarding the army not the person. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steel Angel Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 Disagree - you're essentially paying to win. Just because I (theoretically) have the money to buy a pro-painted army is a slap to the face to those who have humbler means and pour their heart / soul / talent into their army. I'm not doing anything other than writing a check. Wouldn't go there. Most armies ARE base on what the person can afford to BUY for it. so would open a whole new can of worms. IE " you only won best General cause you could BUY 2 Imperial Knights. " or " You only got best paint cause you could spend time painting while ii have a family " Not worth opening thread up to stuff like that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steel Angel Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 For the record I paint my own armies (suck at it too) But I will still acknowledge a great looking army weather the person playing it painted it or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Glacius Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 The problem with awarding the painter, is that you can't always be sure. Did they paint every single model in the army? Did they assemble it? Did they base it? Are they telling the truth? If you create that expectation/limitation that it has to have been done by that person or they can't get the award, then you open yourself to fraud. Is it a worthy endeavor? Sure. Can you prove it? Not reliably. So if you want a Best Painted Army award, then let it be open to however the army got painted. If you want a Best Painter award, then be prepared, come up with clear criteria, and hope people are honest. You could also have a speed painting round somewhere in the competition. Provide the same basic model to each person that wants to enter, give them two hours, and then judge. :) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steel Angel Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 The problem with awarding the painter, is that you can't always be sure. Did they paint every single model in the army? Did they assemble it? Did they base it? Are they telling the truth? If you create that expectation/limitation that it has to have been done by that person or they can't get the award, then you open yourself to fraud. Is it a worthy endeavor? Sure. Can you prove it? Not reliably. So if you want a Best Painted Army award, then let it be open to however the army got painted. If you want a Best Painter award, then be prepared, come up with clear criteria, and hope people are honest. You could also have a speed painting round somewhere in the competition. Provide the same basic model to each person that wants to enter, give them two hours, and then judge. :) Agree I for one know some players who's wives/husbands help them paint. How would you judge that? Just keep it simple sam. or K.I.S.S. judge the army and nothing else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMGraham Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 So the question is should you get a paint score if you didn't paint your own army? Doesn't paint scores contribute to best overall? Depends on the tournament, but if painting/appearance/whatever calculate into an overall score beyond a simple "is this army painted", then I would say that individual should not qualify for an award. Seems like most of the tournaments I went to were really upfront about this - if you didn't paint it, then you are not eligible for best painted or overall. You could still win General, Sports, etc. Those other prizes are intended to reward artists. A patron of the arts is not an artist. Patrons of the arts get the satisfaction of having good taste and a well-painted army. You're paying for the ability to play in the tournament (provided it requires painted models to play), not paying for a prize. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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