Steel Angel Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 Hmmmm should a Professional really compete against amateurs...hhmmmm? Just kidding unlike some professions there is no real set standards to qualify as professional. So you could be a professional painter and still suck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 Hmmmm should a Professional really compete against amateurs...hhmmmm? Just kidding unlike some professions there is no real set standards to qualify as professional. So you could be a professional paint and still suck. I could be wrong, but isn't what makes them professional solely based on them getting paid to do it? The quality level isn't really reflected by the person being professional. Like the difference between a murderer and an assassin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 Sorry. It happens. And I get that as a TO it sucks to have to tell people they can't win a prize, but it is what it is. I still love you, man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluger Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 If I had more money, I'd have Aventine or someone like him paint all my stuff. I *HATE* painting. To the main point, the award for Best Painted should go to the Army, not the person. I don't think there's a real-life comparison with someone else playing a tournament game for someone. That doesn't even make sense. The only way I could see that happening is if someone was late and had a buddy step in and play for them for a game or something. Even then though? I just don't see this as a real world example. As winterman said, people who get commissioned armies and win awards with them are comparable to car enthusiasts who have the same thing happen. Put another way, if JMGraham put one of his armies that won best painted previously up for sale, and I bought it, I could STILL say I own an army that won Best Painted. I just don't see the issue, honestly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
generalripphook Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 The main problem I see is that if I go to a tournament with an army I painted on my own, and someone takes best painted and didn't do a single brush stroke on their army I feel jipped. I feel like its a point of pride really. You arent gonna say you won if someone else played for you, its why no one likes to take coaching mid-game (I mean baring a teaching/training game) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 If I had more money, I'd have Aventine or someone like him paint all my stuff. I *HATE* painting. To the main point, the award for Best Painted should go to the Army, not the person. I don't think there's a real-life comparison with someone else playing a tournament game for someone. That doesn't even make sense. The only way I could see that happening is if someone was late and had a buddy step in and play for them for a game or something. Even then though? I just don't see this as a real world example. . Well, the best way to afford to commission an army is to stop buying paints...I do often wonder if all the expense related to making my models look awesome, would be better spent just paying someone else to paint them. It would certainly be cleaner. If the award goes to the army, does the owner get a prize? Or are we just adding purity seals to the models...? As for getting other players to win for you, that one can be done two ways. First is to front a buddy the entry fee for an event with understand that any prizes won belong to the person that paid admission. Second would be to loan an army to a player so that in winning with it, it increases in resale value. In both cases, you would need a very good player. Not really different from race sponsors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluger Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 Are people seeing huge prize support connected to Best General? I haven't seen a lot of correlation for that in a long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KAPcom Posted January 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 Wow, I had no idea this was such a hot button topic. For clarification, best painted was won by a commission army at a recent gt (and rightfully so, the army was gorgeous), which came with some prize support. The event was using the ITC rules format, which makes no distinction between a player painted army and a commissioned army, so no one was in the wrong. It's interesting to see the varying options everyone has on the subject. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 Wow, I had no idea this was such a hot button topic. For clarification, best painted was won by a commission army at a recent gt (and rightfully so, the army was gorgeous), which came with some prize support. The event was using the ITC rules format, which makes no distinction between a player painted army and a commissioned army, so no one was in the wrong. It's interesting to see the varying options everyone has on the subject. Then I would have no problem with it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darthweasel Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 Hmmmm should a Professional really compete against amateurs...hhmmmm? Just kidding unlike some professions there is no real set standards to qualify as professional. So you could be a professional painter and still suck. I am thinking of going with a pro-painted Gorger army for the next tournament. I practically have it in the bag. For an early look at my pro-painted soon to be best-painted army award win, have a look at the current "It Still Cracks me Up" thread. Writhe in jealousy, mere mortals. When I have that in hand, for you to win a painting competition will be amazing, for me it will be Tuesday 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottshoemaker Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 No distinction, then it's fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steel Angel Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 I am thinking of going with a pro-painted Gorger army for the next tournament. I practically have it in the bag. For an early look at my pro-painted soon to be best-painted army award win, have a look at the current "It Still Cracks me Up" thread. Writhe in jealousy, mere mortals. When I have that in hand, for you to win a painting competition will be amazing, for me it will be Tuesday OooKkkk DarthBison lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aventine Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 Armies done with airbrushes shouldn't be eligible for Best Painted; they didn't paint it, they just sprayed the paint at it ;) just teasing, Karl 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainA Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 Armies done with Aventine shouldn't be eligible for Best Painted; they didn't paint it, they just sprayed the paint at it ;) just teasing, Karl There, I fixed the quote! :) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aventine Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 There, I fixed the quote! :) Yeah I'll "spray" some "paint"... skeet skeet skeet 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swan-of-War Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 I don't want to go anymore. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KAPcom Posted January 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 What color spray base coat did you use for those white scars again, Chris? :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aventine Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 What color spray base coat did you use for those white scars again, Chris? :) I think that it is easily inferred from my last post what color it was ;) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 Is all of this over MLs white scars? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbusePuppy Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 There's a difference between a well-painted army and an army painted by a professional. I cannot match a professional's technique. And I can't match the technique of a quality amateur painter like some of our forum regulars here, but that doesn't mean they deserve to win any less. "I can't personally win this prize" is not a reason for a prize not to exist. The equivalency to me is signing up for a tourney, then paying a much more accomplished player to play your games for you, then claiming award/prize at the end. So if I go to a tournament, play all the way through the rounds, win the whole thing, and hand the prize I won to my buddy, you would be just as angry about it? Really? Because I kind of doubt you would. Is all of this over MLs white scars? No, one of the Frontline guys won Best Painted at TSHFT with an army he commissioned through their painting service. I don't think KAP is even all that angry about it, but apparently some other folks are. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 Off topic: AP you should post your list and a quick breakdown of your games. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbusePuppy Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 Just did, check 3++. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KAPcom Posted January 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 No, one of the Frontline guys won Best Painted at TSHFT with an army he commissioned through their painting service. I don't think KAP is even all that angry about it, but apparently some other folks are. I'm not angry at anyone, just curious to see what other's opinions on the matter were. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottshoemaker Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 So if I go to a tournament, play all the way through the rounds, win the whole thing, and hand the prize I won to my buddy, you would be just as angry about it? Really? Because I kind of doubt you would. Huh? I don't get your point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.MoreTanks Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 So the event prize was Best Army. That means Best Army. Not best painted, not comp, not the owner, not best non commission... It [big bad swear word]ing means Best Army. Whatever that means is up to you and your vote. Just because you don't like the majority vote or how those people vote doesn't mean [big bad swear word]. The ITC does Best Army so they don't have to deal with people bitching all the time about who painted what and what judge gave what points for highlighting, etc. Its a Best Army vote, and that is 100% subjective and a personal choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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