pretre Posted February 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2015 Lone Wolves don't take up FOC slots though. :( I was thinking of doing something with CotGW using Wolf Guard in the Stormwolves or WGT in the Stormwolves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted February 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2015 Sisters List Canoness 5 BSS with M/F in Repressor 5 BSS with MM 5 Doms with 4 Melta in Repressor 5 Doms with 4 Melta in Repressor 5 Doms with 4 Melta in Repressor Exorcist Exorcist Exorcist Firestorm Redoubt with Magos and Quad-gun Knight Errant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted February 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2015 Just realized that list had 2 drop pods, which is a sin. Ugh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted February 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2015 The "shooty" list looks pretty fair, but I do feel like losing the melee element could come back to hurt you. Maybe run a Rune Priest over the WGBL in that version? He does a lot more for you, I think. Rune Priest actually doesn't do much for me. If I add him to any of the good sisters squads, I lose Faith. I guess if I'm dropping on something that isn't using cover, I could use him with Doms for Prescience or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted February 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2015 Okay, looking for middle ground: CotGW Wolf Lord - TWM, Kraken, SS Stormwolf with TL-MM Stormwolf with TL-MM Iron Priest with TWM Iron Priest with TWM 4 TWC with SS/WC, SS/BP, PF/BP, BP/CCW Predator with Lascannons Allied Celestine Priest 5 BSS with Melta/Flamer in Repressor 5 Doms with 4 Melta in Repressor Exorcist 1850 Gives me 4 AV13 on the ground plus the TWC Star. Then the Stormwolves come in. I'd like to get a drop pod in and such, but this may be a good middle ground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted February 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2015 It would be nice if SW had the crazy number of Fast slots that flesh tearers get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted February 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2015 Side effect of that list is that I have it all painted, I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted February 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2015 Not sure about the pred but I need some long range for early game. At 115, it's hard to replace it with something good. Thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbusePuppy Posted February 13, 2015 Report Share Posted February 13, 2015 An Exorcist is pretty much strictly better at 125pts. I don't see any real reason to run SoB as your ally choice (other than preference, obv) when SW have so many better options. SW fill a bunch of gaps for SoB, but SoB do nothing that SW can't already do or get someone else to do better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted February 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2015 SW can't get AV13 transports or scouting ignores cover. Or hit and run jump infantry on the blob or hatred/reroll saves. If I could get decent flyers and heavy cav on my sisters, I wouldn't need the SW is more the way I look at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbusePuppy Posted February 13, 2015 Report Share Posted February 13, 2015 Sure, but look at what those things are designed to accomplish, not what they are. The Repressors are to give you protection and longevity on your units- SW have an innate advantage over SoB in that regard. Dominions are to give you a strong anti-tank alpha strike- Drop Pods and flyers can give you similar results. Rerolls on the blob of Sisters and HnR are there to make it functional as a melee combat unit- but SW units are generally as good (or better) without any buffs as SoB are with them. That's not to say that any of those units are bad, or that you shouldn't run them, but when you're looking at what a particular detachment or unit brings to your army, you need to look at roles moreso than specifics. SW fill roles that Sisters cannot (like anti-air, etc); Sisters, unfortunately, do not really fill any roles SW is lacking in. They certainly have units that are more efficient at certain jobs (an Exorcist is purely superior to a Predator and it's hard to find better Melta delivery than Dominions), but they don't really bring anything new to the army. That's why I'd never consider SW/SoB as an army, even though SoB/SW I think is perfectly acceptable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted February 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2015 SW aren't that much more durable than SOB when they get out of their transports. That's the problem. As for alpha strike doms vs alpha strike pods... One has ignore cover, one doesn't. That has been a big deal for me in the past, especially with the prevalence of jinking, shrouding, etc. Rending heavy flamers are something that SW can't do either and that's especially important when dealing with invisible targets under the BAO/LVO rules. I see my SOB as particularly suited to taking out a lot of the 'power' units that people love to play and give other armies fits (with the exception of flyers). I see my SW as put in place to deal with the rest. I just think that I'm probably going to have to suck it up and leave the flyers out. I love them, but I just can't figure out a way to do it. Alternatively, I may just play SW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted February 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2015 F it. How about this instead? Wolf Lord SS/Krakenbone/TWM 5 BC in Stormwolf TL-MM 5 GH with Standard in STormwolf TL-MM Iron Priest on TWM Iron Priest on TWM 4 TWC SS/WC, SS/CCW, PF/BP, BP/CCW 4 TWC SS/WC, SS/CCW, PF/BP, BP/CCW Logan on Stormrider Then I don't have to think about my list. Just charge! At least my games will be quick. I'll have to paint Logan and 3 or 4 TWC, but that's not bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted February 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2015 I can, of course, replace Logan with something else... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted February 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2015 I didn't mean to have that sound so mean. Nothing against your advice, Ap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted February 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2015 And actually, the BC squad is useless there so I can drop them and take another TWC with SS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted February 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2015 Or 4 cyber wolves Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbusePuppy Posted February 13, 2015 Report Share Posted February 13, 2015 No offense taken, it's just list arguments. :P I feel like you're getting further away from a "good" list here and more towards very unbalanced armies- your original core stuff had a lot of solid units and, as you say, many good solutions to some of the prevalent stuff in tournaments today. What, in particular, didn't you like about the original list I posted? (with the Sisters blob, Repressors, airplanes, etc)? It seems like it's the closest to your original concept and, while it lacks the TWC, you could theoretically drop one of the airplanes for those if you felt they were really critical to your success, and you have pretty much all of the models for that, don't you? I'm just not really sure what you're looking for at this point, since you've posted some radically different armies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted February 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2015 I dunno man. I want my guardian cup list plus zooming planes. But since we are at the same point total, It just ain't happening. It's hard to carve out 500-600 points to add the flyers without destroying what makes it good/enjoyable. Maybe I'll try a few variants with one flyer. It's better than nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted February 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2015 Re: your list. I really want some TWC in there somewhere. The ability to reach out and smash is nice. (Even if it's just a lord) Or I'm just pathologically unable to settle on a list. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbusePuppy Posted February 13, 2015 Report Share Posted February 13, 2015 Drop Uriah down to a Canoness, drop the Battle Sister blob down to a minimum squad, give the Wolf Lord his TWM back, add three Thunderwolves? If you're not dead-set on the HF Drop Pod unit you could run one Stormwolf in your FA slot instead of the Pod, which would free up another 95pts for another TWC model or two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted February 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2015 Drop Uriah down to a Canoness, drop the Battle Sister blob down to a minimum squad, give the Wolf Lord his TWM back, add three Thunderwolves? If you're not dead-set on the HF Drop Pod unit you could run one Stormwolf in your FA slot instead of the Pod, which would free up another 95pts for another TWC model or two. I just plugged your original list into my excel. It's only 1785. Time to play. Oh wait, I missed a BSS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted February 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2015 (edited) Okay, getting real close. Using your list: CAD Uriah Priest with Litanies 17 BSS with 2 Flamers 5 BSS with M/F in Repressor 5 Doms with 4 Melta in Repressor 5 Doms with 4 Melta in Repressor 5 Rets with 4 HF Exorcist Exorcist Allied Wolf Lord with SS/Black Death/TWM 5 BC with Stormwolf Drop Pod Iron Priest with TWM So 17 BSS, + Uriah + Priest + Wolf Lord + Iron Priest in blob BSS and 2 Doms in Repressors, with 2 Exorcists (so 5 AV13 on table) 1 Pod with Rets and 1 SW with BC in reserve. Obsec blob, obsec Repressor with BSS and Obsec SW with BC. Edited February 13, 2015 by pretre Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted February 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2015 And the award for the list most likely to get me dirty looks: Uriah Priest with Litanies 15 BSS with 2 Flamers and MB 5 BSS with M/F and Repressor 5 Dominions with 4 Melta 5 Dominions with 4 Melta 5 Dominions with 4 Melta and Repressor 5 Retributors with 4 Heavy Flamers Exorcist Exorcist CotGW Wolf Lord with SS/Krakenbone/TWM 5 BC with Stormwolf Drop Pod (Dom) Drop Pod (Dom) Drop Pod (Ret) Servitor Servitor 1850 So 3 drop pods (2 sets of ignore cover meltas and a rending flamer squad) with 2 first turn. Sisters blob with Wolf Lord and 2 Priests for reroll saves and such. 4 AV13 vehicles on the field start of turn Stormwolf in reserve. Servitors... hiding in ruins somewhere out of LOS. lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted February 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2015 Also, bonus points for dirty looks: Uriah Priest with Litanies 15 BSS with 2 flamers 5 BSS 5 Doms with 4 melta in Repressor 5 Doms with 4 melta in Repressor 5 Rets with 4 Heavy Flamers Exorcist Exorcist CotGW Wolf Lord with SS/Krakenbone/TWM Stormwolf with TL-MM Stormwolf with TL-MM Drop Pod Servitor Servitor 1830 This has the advantage of being painted except for the two servitors. I guess I could give them MM or something, but mostly I'm gonna hide them. The extra 20 would probably go to a combi for the Rets and an upgraded loadout for the blob (Melta and a MB or something). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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