MexicanNinja Posted February 24, 2015 Report Share Posted February 24, 2015 Elaborate, please. Saving one model from a crumble isn't generally going to be the difference in how much longer the unit sticks around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kremmet Posted February 24, 2015 Report Share Posted February 24, 2015 Saving one model from a crumble isn't generally going to be the difference in how much longer the unit sticks around. That's not really why the BSB isn't worth it in TK as saving a wound on constructs is actually pretty big. The problem with the TK BSB is that he's very squishy, overpriced, and not as vital as a BSB would be in a non-undead list. If you do end up playing Legions I highly recommend the Wight BSB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 24, 2015 Report Share Posted February 24, 2015 Saving one model from a crumble isn't generally going to be the difference in how much longer the unit sticks around. Maybe I've misread it, but doesn't it both allow re-rolls on the crumble tests (within 12") AND reduced failed crumble tests by 1 wound? Crumble tests are specifically leadership tests. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kremmet Posted February 24, 2015 Report Share Posted February 24, 2015 There is no "crumble test" as you just lose models equal to the amount you lost combat by. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 24, 2015 Report Share Posted February 24, 2015 There is no "crumble test" as you just lose models equal to the amount you lost combat by. You are thinking of the Unstable rule. I'm talking about the death of the heirophant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 24, 2015 Report Share Posted February 24, 2015 Anywho, working on TK models. Put a post in the trade section for a Casket of Souls. I'll admit, I mainly like how they explode when destroyed. Huge fan of that sort of thing. Love how the princes and kings explode too. Highly amusing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MexicanNinja Posted February 24, 2015 Report Share Posted February 24, 2015 There is no "crumble test" as you just lose models equal to the amount you lost combat by. Right right, I just miss worded it. And yes, the points you spend on the phant to be a BSB is just not worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kremmet Posted February 24, 2015 Report Share Posted February 24, 2015 You are thinking of the Unstable rule. I'm talking about the death of the heirophant. Right, that's true (all those rules used to be called Crumble). Still, in UL, there is no test at all so you avoid it entirely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 25, 2015 Report Share Posted February 25, 2015 all those rules used to be called Crumble. Yes. Still, in UL, there is no test at all so you avoid it entirely. Hmm...<re-reads entry>...yeah, looks like it does avoid it altogether. Interesting. Looks like I could actually field an undead army without any wizards via the UL list. Not sure if they'd be viable without wizards, but looks legal. Still, not really sure it matters much. TK heirophant doesn't look too difficult to keep alive and crumble seems manageable (unless army is doomed anyway). The 6+ regen gained to unit seems like it could be pretty useful. Maybe not. Hmmm....re-reading UL and TK books. Yeah, TK list looks plenty viable, but UL army looks much stronger. Looks like the wight king is probably a more practical BSB and is a skeleton. Might need to pick up that VC book too and go undead legions... Also looks like the difference between the "ressurecting fallen warriors" is that character models can regain wounds from magic items in the UL list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MexicanNinja Posted February 25, 2015 Report Share Posted February 25, 2015 The wight king is one of the best hero choices for the points cost. High toughness, 3 wounds, and KB. I wouldn't suggest playin VC without a magic phase. The have the ability to make a strong magic phase with the titan/casket combo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romes Posted February 25, 2015 Report Share Posted February 25, 2015 BSB matters for quick reform re-rolls and combat reform re-rolls, which are both still important important. I agree with the wight king BSB 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McNathanson Posted February 25, 2015 Report Share Posted February 25, 2015 BTW I *love* this army idea. I've had a dream of doing a skeleton horde since 6th edition but there was never a satisfying ruleset. Tomb Kings was close but had too much emphasis on constructs, and VC had some great units but overall I wasn't interested in Vamps. I can't wait to see what you build!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mekhet Posted February 25, 2015 Report Share Posted February 25, 2015 BTW I *love* this army idea. I've had a dream of doing a skeleton horde since 6th edition but there was never a satisfying ruleset. Tomb Kings was close but had too much emphasis on constructs, and VC had some great units but overall I wasn't interested in Vamps. I can't wait to see what you build!! That's why you go with Tomb Counts ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 25, 2015 Report Share Posted February 25, 2015 I wouldn't suggest playin VC without a magic phase. Nah, I don't plan to either, I was just amused that you could field them without wizards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 Does model height matter on WHFB? I'm thinking those snake riders would look better as a snake coiled around a skeleton infantryman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MexicanNinja Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 Are you modeling for an advantage? How much of the height are you modifying because TLoS exists in WFB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 Are you modeling for an advantage? How much of the height are you modifying because TLoS exists in WFB. TLOS does exist.., huh. Well, I suppose could make them taller too. Anyway, point was that I think the guys riding on the cobra hoods look silly (and not a "good" silly). That said, I do think that unit could/would be viable and it certainly fits the skeleton theme. I'll think about it more. Ordered a tomb king on ebay: Old GW one. Not sure if I'll keep it as is, or do some sawing and pinning for a more dynamic pose. As for other models, I'm considering this guy for a bone giant: I did ask online, seems model should be about the right size and comes with a "bow." I would certainly be repainting it, though my target would be a very similar design, just altering the colors to suit my army's bone color. Last, I am certain that I want to include a few LEGO skeletons within the ranks of skeleton archers and warriors/tombguard/graveguard. Again, repainting to match bone colors. I want a skeleton army, but it doesn't need to be an overly negative or depressing army. Visual gags are certainly appealing and a large variant of skeleton types is very much appealing. On a side note, anyone ordered from http://fenryll.com/ before? They've got a set of "dwarf skeletons" which would be a fun addition, but with shipping, the cost is just too high for basic skeletons. Group orders or suggestions of where else to buy these would be neat. Side note, recommendations for funny or unusual skeleton models is most certainly desired. Skeletons for each of the major warhammer races would be pretty awesome. I also found that there is a group called "Mirliton" which sells some old sculpts of a skeleton rhino and skeleton elephant, which many online conversions exist for use as Warsphinxes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MexicanNinja Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 If I wanted to play against lego's I'd just go to the lego store and purchase a ton of horses and call it a "bret" army. Good luck getting games in with lego's in the army. Have you read the MRB yet? That will answer your question(s) about TLoS. It works a ton different than 40k. There's no 50% BS. It's either open, soft cover, or hard cover. Lastly, I don't think you are appreciating the hitting power of Necro Knights. A unit of 6 can do great things. They have poison and KB attacks in the same unit in a nice volume. Buff that unit with some magic and it does even better. There's a reason why a light council works with TK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 If I wanted to play against lego's I'd just go to the lego store and purchase a ton of horses and call it a "bret" army. Good luck getting games in with lego's in the army. Have you read the MRB yet? That will answer your question(s) about TLoS. It works a ton different than 40k. There's no 50% BS. It's either open, soft cover, or hard cover. Lastly, I don't think you are appreciating the hitting power of Necro Knights. A unit of 6 can do great things. They have poison and KB attacks in the same unit in a nice volume. Buff that unit with some magic and it does even better. There's a reason why a light council works with TK. Necro knights have fine rules, I dislike the wrongness of models "surfing" on the hoods of giant cobras. In regard to legos, I don't want a whole army, or even a whole unit of them. I like the idea of mixing a few in my ranks in a where's waldo type fashion. Likewise, I want to mix reaper, RAFM, and GW skeletons to get a good variety of poses and sculpts. As for getting games in, I don't really see the issue. Provided I paint them, there isn't much difference between this and various other conversions I've seen on this site alone. Also, if the model is supposed to be a skeleton archer and it's a lego skeleton with bow and quiver, then what is the WYSIWYG complaint? Size-wise, lego people are probably the closest toy to GW 28mm people. Using legos is actually a more expensive route... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threejacks Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 If I wanted to play against lego's I'd just go to the lego store and purchase a ton of horses and call it a "bret" army. Good luck getting games in with lego's in the army. Have you read the MRB yet? That will answer your question(s) about TLoS. It works a ton different than 40k. There's no 50% BS. It's either open, soft cover, or hard cover. Lastly, I don't think you are appreciating the hitting power of Necro Knights. A unit of 6 can do great things. They have poison and KB attacks in the same unit in a nice volume. Buff that unit with some magic and it does even better. There's a reason why a light council works with TK. Love the Bret army idea!,lol I have several Lego bits in my scratch built Ork Big guns unit,plus various bits used on looted vehicles.Legos ROCK dude! However Pax,I can see that ranking a few of the lego people figures up within your army may look more like a hasty attempt at a proxy rather than a purpose built model no matter how well you paint it heh.Though that minecraft lego figure does have some interesting parts that may make a rather goofy Bone Giant if that's what you are going for:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixxer Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 When I see toys on the table, I walk away. Unit fillers wont be so bad but at the same time it screws the aesthetic of the game. Not a fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 Very surprised people are so opposed to this. Been seeing toys re-purposed to 40k/fantasy for years now, many of which are on this very site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 Have you read the MRB yet? That will answer your question(s) about TLoS. It works a ton different than 40k. There's no 50% BS. It's either open, soft cover, or hard cover. Mostly skimmed it in recent history. I had a BRB when 8th launched. I read it a bunch then, so it's mostly review. I never got into it enough to fully memorize it. As I recall, units that should be logically able to fire indirectly, can't in fantasy. Archers in example. They added volley fire, but the title is misleading and just allows more ranks to fire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drak Posted February 28, 2015 Report Share Posted February 28, 2015 I have also seen other toys converted into WHFB purposes with great results, I will grant that most of them haven't had the recognizability that a Lego guy would. but if ou can make it work all the more to ya :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 1, 2015 Report Share Posted March 1, 2015 Should I be looking at the special character rules, or are those not kosher in most games? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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