Guest Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 Just wonder, if I have an old model with current rules and a new sculpt, can I use the old model without modifying it? Is it considered Counts as? Does it need to be WYSIYG in regards to wargear that the new sculpt has, but the old sculpt lacks? In example, I have a Lord of Macragge model. He's in power armor and has his two power fists, but doesn't include a storm bolter or power sword. The current model is in termiantor armor and does have all the extra gadgets. The rules for said model do have a PA version and a TDA version, so not questioning which armor he'd have. EDIT: Original question answered, mostly a thread about using various models to represent other models, or newer incarnations of the same thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 The only time this comes up as a problem is when the model is clearly different/smaller/more advantageous than the old one. Example: The Eldar Avatar. The Rogue Trader version is about the size of a space marine and has a clear mechanical advantage. I would not field that model as an avatar. The FW version, on the other hand, is mechanically less good than the 'correct' version, so it is fine to field. GW, FW, Rogue Trader 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 The other mechanically different one that causes a lot of controversy is the old gorkamorka 'skateboard' trukk: You can literally get cover from Grots with the old one. To you original point, the power armor commander works well for the power armor current one (without the honor guard, unless you pay for them separately). It's smaller, but not ridiculously so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 To you original point, the power armor commander works well for the power armor current one (without the honor guard, unless you pay for them separately). It's smaller, but not ridiculously so. Mine is a fair amount shorter, he is in a seated position, after all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intrizic Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 Slightly off topic but still applicable imo I used the old Pyriah Necron model for Crypt techs or Lords, this is a 'Counts As'? I like the model, and it obviously is within the Necron theme. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 Yep, Necrontyr has it. They make great lords with Warscythes too. :) Crypteks are a very commonly count-as'd model. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgosaurusrex Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 I have a Tyranid army consisting mostly of 2nd edition models and I've never had any issues with it. 2nd ed Hive Tyrants are about half the size of their modern couterparts but I just play everything as-is with regards to true line of sight. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 I often find myself having to explain to people how old they actually are. I like the one where people comment on my "warmachine conversion" if I bring any RT dreads to the table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 As Chex said, being fair to your opponent when there are obvious differences helps a lot. I have mostly phased out my 2nd edition Rhinos from most forces for a few reasons, including size issues. Anyone want to buy like 5 2nd edition Space Wolf Rhinos? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PourSpelur Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 Ok, how about this one. I have a super cool female inquisitor, Victorian style dress and large flintlock looking rifle (Hexrifle?). Anyone see any issues with using her as a counts-as Vindicare? She'd really fit in with my Sisters. I'm considering doing all girls for my OFCC list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 Ok, how about this one. I have a super cool female inquisitor, Victorian style dress and large flintlock looking rifle (Hexrifle?). Anyone see any issues with using her as a counts-as Vindicare? She'd really fit in with my Sisters. I'm considering doing all girls for my OFCC list. Model on the left? Not a fan of it for Vindicare, but as long as you don't have that model repeated or that weapon on any other model and are clear with your opponent, it should be fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PourSpelur Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 Yeah, the lady on the left. Cut the hose, add a long brass scope and she's a classy sharpshooter;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 Reaper's got a few models that would work, if the above doesn't: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 Yeah, the lady on the left. Cut the hose, add a long brass scope and she's a classy sharpshooter;) Those modifications go a long way to making her a sniper. :) I approve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PourSpelur Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 She has a couple good things going for her 1) She's a girl and that goes a long way with the whole "all girls" concept. 2) I already have her so that falls squarely in my "I'm a cheap bastard" concept. 3) Wearing an evening dress to war is an awesome concept. ;) 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgosaurusrex Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 Anyone want to buy like 5 2nd edition Space Wolf Rhinos? Only if the price is good, lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 Only if the price is good, lol. Maybe I should package them up... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skkipper Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 Bloodthirster fall into this area as well rogue trader is small 2nd edition is bigger, new one is a monster. Can't wait to see new one next to An'ggrath for size comparison 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 6, 2015 Report Share Posted March 6, 2015 Recently got a small handful of RT techmarines. Yeah, the guys with hammer/wrench+Pistol. One with an oil can/torch and pistol. Do I need to get servo arm backpacks for these? Or would you suggest fielding them as something else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
generalripphook Posted March 6, 2015 Report Share Posted March 6, 2015 If you fielded an entire army of 2nd edition models would it be problem? Since your scale factors wouldn't be thrown off my old rhinos and new marines? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 6, 2015 Report Share Posted March 6, 2015 If you fielded an entire army of 2nd edition models would it be problem? Since your scale factors wouldn't be thrown off my old rhinos and new marines? Personally, I don't think the model size matters that much most of the time. It matters for undersized/oversized MCs and vehicles regarding cover saves. It also matters a lot for undersized units which don't require LOS for their shooting attacks. It can matter with regards to moving in from reserves and for deep strike. It also matters for units/models (and transports which contain unit/models) which have effects that spread outwards from the model's base/hull. Beyond that, it rarely has major unbalancing impacts on the game. Shorter models hide easier, but grant cover saves to more things they shoot at. They often have more issues with LOS blocking terrain/units. This part balances itself out. Remember that LOS is needed to declare a charge, so even melee focused units are impaired if they are too short to see their enemy... The bigger issue is when the 2nd edition models don't include weapons that the current one has. Or when they include weapons which no longer exist. This creates issues with WYSIWYG requirements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted March 6, 2015 Report Share Posted March 6, 2015 I would get servo arms of you want them to be tech marines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 6, 2015 Report Share Posted March 6, 2015 I would get servo arms of you want them to be tech marines. Suggestion for a good source? Or is conversion the better route? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted March 6, 2015 Report Share Posted March 6, 2015 Suggestion for a good source? Or is conversion the better route? I converted mine: Click the link to zoom in on the right dude. It's a normal backpack and some parts from the vindicator sprues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 6, 2015 Report Share Posted March 6, 2015 Click the link to zoom in on the right dude. It's a normal backpack and some parts from the vindicator sprues. Yeah, that turned out. I'll look into it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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