VonVilkee Posted March 21, 2015 Report Share Posted March 21, 2015 Hey ordo, I have a problem... I love the dreamforge leviathans and I'm weak. I bought 3 during the kickstarter and have since bought 3 more. With the new rules getting play around here more and more of the locals are going drop pod heavy. Some of you may know me as that drop pod guy been playing them heavily for a long time but I don't like being in vogue so it is time to switch it up. I know a single imperial knight is awesome and some field a lance formation but what about a five knight list at 2k points? I'd get an upgrade on any one to a senechal (ion shield would be 3+ and he gets bs/ws 5). I'm toying with the following list... Knight paladin (2 shot battle cannon, and D melee) also has two heavy stubbers Knight errant (str 9 ap1 large blast Melta @36", and D melee)also has one heavy stubber Knight lancer (6 shot str 7 ap2 @18",D melee +1 initiative on the charge) Knight Castigator (twin linked 8 shot str7 ap3@36",str 10 melee with a spin attack to hit everything in btb at ini 2 trades normals for this) Knight Acheron (helstrom str 7 ap3 NOT TORRENT,D melee with bonus against armor value stuff) also has a twin linked heavy Bolter) So that would be the list. Falls a little shy of the points value might add a single squad of some thing or an attack bike but I want the full knight feel. Don't know which one would be the warlord (gets the senechal bonus) prolly the lancer. I picture the Castigator doing AA work because worth no secondary weapon he will struggle to make charges by killing what was in range and not having a back up charge also that many twin linked str 7 should do some work. I feel like the list has a lot of tools and would just be epically tough to maneuver around each other. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted March 21, 2015 Report Share Posted March 21, 2015 Very feasible. Makes for quick do or die type games. Paging evil_bryan. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbusePuppy Posted March 21, 2015 Report Share Posted March 21, 2015 If you can get ahold of HH4, it has the Questoris Knight army, which is much better designed. It gives you more flexibility in spending your points and has some very neat additional options. That aside, Knight armies can be quite strong and tend to end the game very quickly, one way or the other. However, if you're looking at a casual environment you may not be happy with running all Knights, as people will either have the tools to beat you (and thus wreck you pretty badly) or not (and themselves get crushed.) The relative one-sidedness of it can be discouraging to a lot of players, even while the army itself isn't strictly more powerful than many of the existing options in the game. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonVilkee Posted March 21, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2015 Good to know thanks abuse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mr. Bigglesworth Posted March 21, 2015 Report Share Posted March 21, 2015 I have played two knight list and it felt very soul crushing to opponents whether I was or they were. So going full would likely be same unless it was a shared list before the game. Knowing that is what you are playing against would make it enjoyable. I am with I now have 2 gw Knights and 4 dreamforge. I plan to pick up so of the dreamforge troops and some air cav to make a Ally attachment which will cover my anti air. I would use the tempest of scion dex. I plan to use the terminator hk2 models for my fliers from moebius sp? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mr. Bigglesworth Posted March 21, 2015 Report Share Posted March 21, 2015 For 2k here is an idea. Bare bones no upgrades. This is the air cav formation with three Knights: +++ Knight air cav (1945pts) +++ ++ Imperial Knights: Codex (2014) (Imperial Knight Detachment) (1125pts) ++ + Knights (1125pts) + Cerastus Knight-Castigator (380pts) Knight Errant (370pts) Knight Paladin (375pts) ++ Militarum Tempestus: Codex (2014) (Allied Detachment) (820pts) ++ + HQ (110pts) + Commissar (25pts) [bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon, Commissar, Flak Armour] Militarum Tempestus Command Squad (85pts) [4x Tempestus Scion] Tempestor Prime [Close Combat Weapon, Hot-shot Laspistol] + Troops (210pts) + Militarum Tempestus Scions (70pts) [4x Tempestus Scion] Tempestor [Close Combat Weapon, Hot-shot Laspistol] Militarum Tempestus Scions (70pts) [4x Tempestus Scion] Tempestor [Close Combat Weapon, Hot-shot Laspistol] Militarum Tempestus Scions (70pts) [4x Tempestus Scion] Tempestor [Close Combat Weapon, Hot-shot Laspistol] + Fast Attack (500pts) + Valkyrie Squadron (500pts) Valkyrie [2x Hellstrike Missiles, Multi-laser] Valkyrie [2x Hellstrike Missiles, Multi-laser] Valkyrie [2x Hellstrike Missiles, Multi-laser] Valkyrie [2x Hellstrike Missiles, Multi-laser] Created with BattleScribe (http://www.battlescribe.net) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted March 21, 2015 Report Share Posted March 21, 2015 For funsies or a specific event? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonVilkee Posted March 21, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2015 Funsies and to make the locals figure out how to deal with knights. I'm tempted to put it into the ordo team event if I get to go... Anything I own and would paint to add to this would only make the list better. I figure if someone pushed to have sine regular troops in the board I'd drop to 3 knights and take an Allied Detachment so that I could still choose a knight as warlord and pickup some objective secured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted March 21, 2015 Report Share Posted March 21, 2015 That list may be a bit RPS for the team event. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psilence Posted March 21, 2015 Report Share Posted March 21, 2015 Rock, paper, Sheldon? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonVilkee Posted March 21, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2015 Yeah I agree it could be but I've been a captain for a few years now and there is always some yahoos out there that are rps this year it could be me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
generalripphook Posted March 21, 2015 Report Share Posted March 21, 2015 I say do it with the allied detatchement of imperial guardsmen so you can have lots of numbers and people can still have fun removing models even if they can hardly kill all three knights. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted March 22, 2015 Report Share Posted March 22, 2015 Yeah flyers and knights can be really frustrating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torg Posted March 22, 2015 Report Share Posted March 22, 2015 ...I'm weak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonVilkee Posted March 22, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2015 The models are quite an exercise in construction but they go together so beautifully. The design behind them just astounds me! I also have a ridiculous amount of extra arms enough to field all kinds of options... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 22, 2015 Report Share Posted March 22, 2015 Funsies and to make the locals figure out how to deal with knights. I've found that players, instead of having fun with knights, really get mad if forced to figure out how to deal with them. Hopefully your attitude will make enough of a difference. A common thought is that those knights (and D weapons and super heavies) are unwelcome in non-apocalypse 40k. GW's been working hard to blur the line between 40k and apocalypse, and not everyone welcomes those changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evil_bryan Posted March 22, 2015 Report Share Posted March 22, 2015 A 5 Knight list plays very quick, but can lead to some frustrating and lopsided games. You could probably play the 5 Knights in the Open, but they are not appropriate for the Team event. Games that last 60-90 min and negate 50-90% of your opponents army rarely provide an enjoyable time for both players. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonVilkee Posted March 22, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2015 A 5 Knight list plays very quick, but can lead to some frustrating and lopsided games. You could probably play the 5 Knights in the Open, but they are not appropriate for the Team event. Games that last 60-90 min and negate 50-90% of your opponents army rarely provide an enjoyable time for both players. Unless the goal is to play quick and drink :). Alright then I'll field fewer and make a stronger on the table presence. I've found the best way is to use their base size against them and engage them in combat with anything that can't hurt them then win on objectives but I understand many that play can't just sacrifice models to do what needs be done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonVilkee Posted March 22, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2015 Ooooo what if with my extra 60 ish points I bring Melta Bombs for my opponents? Every squad in their army gets one model with them? :) 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobbitron Posted March 23, 2015 Report Share Posted March 23, 2015 Ooooo what if with my extra 60 ish points I bring Melta Bombs for my opponents? Every squad in their army gets one model with them? :) Hormagaunts with meltabombs... that sounds awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
generalripphook Posted March 23, 2015 Report Share Posted March 23, 2015 Try it for a few weeks Corey....we probably won't excommunicate you. We do sorta like you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbusePuppy Posted March 23, 2015 Report Share Posted March 23, 2015 Hormagaunts with meltabombs... that sounds awesome. You know, there was a strategem in Cities of Death... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonVilkee Posted March 24, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 Alright taking counsel and not going forward with full knights... But I really want my warlord to be a knight. Epic machine of war!!! Here is the list I'm considering now. Castigator Paladin Errant These are the knights I really want to run. IG ALLIED DETACHMENT Manticore (I know it isn't vogue but another awesome dreamforge model, their APC with an upgrade for bombs) Tank commander Pask in an exterminator with multi Melta sponsons Leman russ eradicator no upgrades Veteran Squad lascanon, Plasma gun carapace armor Chimera Veteran Squad 2 plasma, Melta, carapace, forward sentries (don't gain extra attack charging them, and +1 cover save) Chimera. What do you gents think? I'm using sedition wars models for the guardsmen, only gw stuff would be Chimeras and Lemans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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