pretre Posted April 4, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 4, 2015 That would be awesome as hell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chappy Posted April 5, 2015 Report Share Posted April 5, 2015 That would be awesome as hell.Yes. We are bringing double AdLance. And Skiitari additions too. So, hopefully they will be able to bring something to the fight. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted April 5, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 5, 2015 I look forward to embarrassing myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted April 5, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 5, 2015 What alliance level are tau to imperials? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestRider Posted April 5, 2015 Report Share Posted April 5, 2015 What alliance level are tau to imperials? Desperate Allies. That's why the List is split into the Firebase, and then everything else in Pods. Hopefully for the 3K Game in Round three, we've got enough room that I can set up at least 6" away from your stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted April 5, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 5, 2015 But within 12 of the VSG. Should be fine. ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestRider Posted April 5, 2015 Report Share Posted April 5, 2015 That'll be particularly sweet for the Broadsides. The Riptide can hide behind things and JSJ, but the Broadsides often have a really tough choice between field of fire and self-protection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted June 8, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2015 Ha! I found this thread again. Now to figure out what I'm bringing to doubles. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted June 10, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2015 1500 Celestine 2 Priests with Litanies and 1 MB 17 Sisters with Melta/melta/MB 5 BSS with MM (On Void) 5 Doms with 4 Melta, Repressor 5 Doms with 4 Melta, Repressor Exorcist Exorcist Exorcist VSG with 2 Extra Shields CotGW WGBL with TWM, PF/SS Servitor Servitor So coming back to this... Can this list handle Skitarii drop? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted June 10, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2015 Oh and how does haywire affect Void Shields? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted June 10, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2015 Oh and how does haywire affect Void Shields? It doesn't. From the ITC: Abilities that specify they affect a vehicle/building, such as Tank Hunters, Graviton, etc, have no effect when rolling armor penetration against a Power Field/Void Shield. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestRider Posted June 11, 2015 Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 Yeah, I noticed that when I was looking at how to handle the VSG for the Betrayal round. AdMech actually has really terrible options for dealing with Void Shields. I guess they leave that sort of thing to the Titan Legions ;) So, to answer the question, it really depends on what they bring in the Faction that's supplying the Drop Pods. If those guys don't really have good answers either, all you really need to do is make sure they can't land a Pod inside the Shield and pop the Generator directly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted June 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 20 sisters and a wolf lord plus vehicles should keep them back. I need to lay it all out to check paint. And you were studying how to betray me! Curse your sudden and inevitable betrayal! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestRider Posted June 11, 2015 Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 There should be a prize in the Betrayal round for a team that brings 30K lists with opposing Istvaan Primarchs ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted June 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 There should be a prize in the Betrayal round for a team that brings 30K lists with opposing Istvaan Primarchs ;) That'd be awesome. And ugh, I need to get two new servitors. I totally can't find what my kid did with my two painted ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 12, 2015 Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 Yeah, I noticed that when I was looking at how to handle the VSG for the Betrayal round. AdMech actually has really terrible options for dealing with Void Shields. I guess they leave that sort of thing to the Titan Legions ;) Terrible options for void shields? Maybe if you spam haywire weapons, but they've got more than enough methods to disperse AV 12 void shields. Plus, if in pods, they could just land closer.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 12, 2015 Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 1500 Celestine 2 Priests with Litanies and 1 MB 17 Sisters with Melta/melta/MB 5 BSS with MM (On Void) 5 Doms with 4 Melta, Repressor 5 Doms with 4 Melta, Repressor Exorcist Exorcist Exorcist VSG with 2 Extra Shields CotGW WGBL with TWM, PF/SS Servitor Servitor So coming back to this... Can this list handle Skitarii drop? Well, will you be fine if you lose all the vehicles turn 1? Probably won't be that severe between cover and those faithful shields, but they could get lucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted June 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 Terrible options for void shields? Maybe if you spam haywire weapons, but they've got more than enough methods to disperse AV 12 void shields. Plus, if in pods, they could just land closer.... How are you going to land inside the 12" bubble when I fill it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted June 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 Well, will you be fine if you lose all the vehicles turn 1? Probably won't be that severe between cover and those faithful shields, but they could get lucky. And the Void shield generator? That's half the point of it. It protects me from drop haywire and such. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 12, 2015 Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 And the Void shield generator? That's half the point of it. It protects me from drop haywire and such. Yeah, including the void shield generator. It's technically a vehicle, after all. I don't really think that 3 HP of void shields is an adequate defense at the 3k level. (doubles of 1500pts, right?) Anyway, the only adequate solution to haywire I've found was that 4++ PFG combined with that Schism of Mars Legacy on an AV14 vehicle while spending most of the game out of LOS. Haywire just eats though vehicles too fast (unreasonably fast). Even there, my LR was at half HP by the end of the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted June 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 Yeah, including the void shield generator. It's technically a vehicle, after all. I don't really think that 3 HP of void shields is an adequate defense at the 3k level. (doubles of 1500pts, right?) Anyway, the only adequate solution to haywire I've found was that 4++ PFG combined with that Schism of Mars Legacy on an AV14 vehicle while spending most of the game out of LOS. Haywire just eats though vehicles too fast (unreasonably fast). Even there, my LR was at half HP by the end of the game. Umm. No. It is 3 1500 point games and one 3000 point game. VSG is immune to haywire and grav and anything that gets special rules against vehicles and buildings. As I posted earlier in the thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 12, 2015 Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 Umm. No. It is 3 1500 point games and one 3000 point game. VSG is immune to haywire and grav and anything that gets special rules against vehicles and buildings. As I posted earlier in the thread. Well, VSG should be fine in games not against admech at 1500pts. Should still have issues at 1500 if they've got a drop or otherwise mobile admech army. Obvious issues against non-nerfed eldar, too. And I totally do understand the immunity to haywire USR and grav weapons. Admech alone have lots of other solutions to AV, even if they aren't as brutally efficent most of the time. I could list them, if you want, but most of the admech ranged weapons are pretty able to deal with AV12. And even if they are immune to the haywire rule, the admech arc rifles and heavy arc rifles are S6, so they can potentially destroy the AV12 void shields without using the haywire rule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted June 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 Well, VSG should be fine in games not against admech at 1500pts. Should still have issues at 1500 if they've got a drop or otherwise mobile admech army. Obvious issues against non-nerfed eldar, too. And I totally do understand the immunity to haywire USR and grav weapons. Admech alone have lots of other solutions to AV, even if they aren't as brutally efficent most of the time. I could list them, if you want, but most of the admech ranged weapons are pretty able to deal with AV12. And even if they are immune to the haywire rule, the admech arc rifles and heavy arc rifles are S6, so they can potentially destroy the AV12 void shields without using the haywire rule. Potentially, yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 12, 2015 Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 Personally, I really like the Torsion Weapons, as they would be brutal against eternal warrior enemies (like Gargantuan creatures or Draigo or Lysander). Those would do fine against the void shields (S8), even if they can only damage one shield per shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted June 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 Personally, I really like the Torsion Weapons, as they would be brutal against eternal warrior enemies (like Gargantuan creatures or Draigo or Lysander). Those would do fine against the void shields (S8), even if they can only damage one shield per shot. True. I haven't seen people play those yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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