Psychic hood question

[Guest]

Does the hood confer any other abilities to the unit protected while taking deny the witch tests. For example, is only the psyker level added, or do things like adamantium will or the aegis apply?

[Sugarlessllama]

The rule for Psychic Hood state: "... the wearer of the psychic hood can attempt to Deny the Witch in their stead, as if he were in the target unit." (BRB pg. 26) 

 

So, from that statement, I would say that any all rules that are attached to the psyker, as well as the unit would be in effect for the Deny the Witch roll.

[generalripphook]

The rule for Psychic Hood state: "... the wearer of the psychic hood can attempt to Deny the Witch in their stead, as if he were in the target unit." (BRB pg. 26)

 

So, from that statement, I would say that any all rules that are attached to the psyker, as well as the unit would be in effect for the Deny the Witch roll.

Does that actually mean anything in 7th?

[Steel Angel]

Need to post the whole rule.

 

 

" Each time a unit (or model) is targeted by an enemy psychic power and is
within 12" of a friendly model with a psychic hood, the wearer of the hood can
attempt to Deny the Witch in their stead, as if he were in the target unit. If the
Deny the Witch attempt is failed, the psychic power is resolved as normal, but
effects only the initial target, not the wearer of the hood."

 

 

Ie the hood does not add anything to the test. It allows the psyker to take the test instead as if on him.  if he is with in 12" of the target.

[Guest]

Does that actually mean anything in 7th?

Yes. Deny the witch has a few modifiers:

6+ base

+1 if target includes a psyker

+1 if target includes a psyker of higher level than the caster(for a total of +2 for psyker and higher level psyker)

+1 if target has adamantium will

 

So, in example, SM non-psyker character is targeted via a psychic power. Enemy psyker is level 1 and casts with 2 successes. SM character requires two rolls of 6+ to deny the power. That's 12 dispel dice.

 

If that SM character is a Black Templars character, he has admantium will, so he will need 6 dice to deny that same power power.

 

Now, add an allied psychic hood to the mix and that templar character needs a 4+ to deny if psychic hood's psyker is level 1 (because now the target is Adamantium will+psyer of equal level). That's 4 dice to deny.

 

Last, we add a level 2 psychic hood to the mix, rather than the level 1. Now the Templar's unit is considered having a higher level psyker than the caster, so he denies on 3+. That's 3 dice to deny.

 

Now, the question asked by the OP (myself), is if the owner of the psychic hood is the source of adamantium will, rather than the character, does the psychic hood confer that as well?

 

Sugarlessllama probably has it right, so the hood would confer that too, as they are treated as being in the unit.

[Steel Angel]

Your over thinking it. All the hood does is allow a psyker with in 12" of a target to take the test as if he was the target. you go with what ever the owner of the hood has.

 

ie. Templar unit gets targeted 6" from unit its a grey knight libby. you can if you want let the libby take the test and use any mods the libby had not the templar unit so no AW.

[Guest]

Your over thinking it. All the hood does is allow a psyker with in 12" of a target to take the test as if he was the target. you go with what ever the owner of the hood has.

 

ie. Templar unit gets targeted 6" from unit its a grey knight libby. you can if you want let the libby take the test and use any mods the libby had not the templar unit so no AW.

Are you sure?

 

If the GK psyker were in the unit, it would a different deny roll, than if the GK psyker rolls for him (Assuming no GK warding stave).

 

 

" Each time a unit (or model) is targeted by an enemy psychic power and is

within 12" of a friendly model with a psychic hood, the wearer of the hood can

attempt to Deny the Witch in their stead, as if he were in the target unit. If the

Deny the Witch attempt is failed, the psychic power is resolved as normal, but

effects only the initial target, not the wearer of the hood."

"Attempting to deny witch in their stead" is certainly what you are saying. I'm just looking at that "as if he were in the target unit" and thinking that adamntium will unit should stack via the psychic hood with the non-admantium will psyker.

[Steel Angel]

I see what your saying but would come down to the mod. AW and  AEGIS would stack if he was counted as part of the unit. being as a unit that contains at least one model with this special rule receives a +1 bonus to Deny the Witch tests. But lets say a Purifier unit would not transfer their LV2 bonus to a lvl 1 non grey knight libby being as the libby does not have brotherhood of pyskers

[Sugarlessllama]

Ok, so if we want to offer a specific example for discussion: Will is playing his Ultramarines (like he does), and has included a level 2 Librarian equipped with the Shield Eternal in his army (like he does). This Librarian is 12" away from a Tactical Squad. The Tac Squad in question is targeted by a psychic power manifested by a level 1 Psyker. Will decides to use his Librarian to take the Deny the Witch roll because the Librarian is within 12", and thus may do so.

 

The level 1 psyker who is manifesting the power, does so on a roll of 4+.

 

Will's Librarian denies the power on a 3+ (+1 for being a psyker, +1 for being a higher level psyker, +1 for Adamantium Will = +3 to Deny the Witch rolls). 

 

Thus in this example, the Space Marine Librarian denies the power more easily than his opponent can manifest it. Which in turn makes the tiny plastic Space Marine feel like a total boss.

[Guest]

Ok, so if we want to offer a specific example for discussion: Will is playing his Ultramarines (like he does), and has included a level 2 Librarian equipped with the Shield Eternal in his army (like he does). This Librarian is 12" away from a Tactical Squad. The Tac Squad in question is targeted by a psychic power manifested by a level 1 Psyker. Will decides to use his Librarian to take the Deny the Witch roll because the Librarian is within 12", and thus may do so.

 

The level 1 psyker who is manifesting the power, does so on a roll of 4+.

 

Will's Librarian denies the power on a 3+ (+1 for being a psyker, +1 for being a higher level psyker, +1 for Adamantium Will = +3 to Deny the Witch rolls). 

 

Thus in this example, the Space Marine Librarian denies the power more easily than his opponent can manifest it. Which in turn makes the tiny plastic Space Marine feel like a total boss.

I completely agree with the above.

 

A bit different:

 

Eternal shield ultramarine libby is level 1. There is a friendly GK purifier unit, which is level 2, within 12". An enemy hive tyrant (level 2) casts warp blast at the purifiers.

 

If the purifier unit tests without the libby they will deny on 5+ and re-roll 1s. Now, if the UM libby tests instead of the purifier unit, they will deny on 4+. However, if the libby is treated as joined to the purifier unit, they deny on 4s and re-roll 1s.

[Sugarlessllama]

I completely agree with the above.

 

A bit different:

 

Eternal shield ultramarine libby is level 1. There is a friendly GK purifier unit, which is level 2, within 12". An enemy hive tyrant (level 2) casts warp blast at the purifiers.

 

If the purifier unit tests without the libby they will deny on 5+ and re-roll 1s. Now, if the UM libby tests instead of the purifier unit, they will deny on 4+. However, if the libby is treated as joined to the purifier unit, they deny on 4s and re-roll 1s.

 

That is correct. Since the test is "... as if he had joined the unit." All bonuses on either the Librarian, and the are counted together.

 

Thus Psychic Hoods are pretty bad-ass. :D