Dreads with helfrost cannons?

[Guest]

Just wondering if the helfrost cannons are viable on SW dreads. Never seen them fielded. Bjorn can take one, as can the normal SW dreads. Thoughts?

 

I have no opinion, for the record. I can't decide if they are viable, or not, on my own.

[Guest Mr. Bigglesworth]

Yes they are a good choice on a dread. The 24" range make them best in pod

[WestRider]

I think they're a bit overpriced, but yeah, decent on a Podded Dread. I see it as sort of a more flexible midpoint between a Multi-Melta and a Plasma Cannon.

[Guest]

Thanks.

[VonVilkee]

I would bet the biggest reason you don't see them is two fold. They are not amazing and are new. They weren't amazing enough to convince people to invest in a new dread or convert them.

[WestRider]

Yeah, I've just tried them out because I only had one SW Dread, so I picked up a couple of the new kit, and they're so easy to make swappable.

[Threejacks]

I`ve dropped Bjorn in on turn one a few times and the HF cannon never lets me down.I should mention that in the cases ive used it,the str test hasn't been a factor as it was either focusing on a vehicle with the single target profile or using the blast on single wound models that would die anyway.

[VonVilkee]

For those with out experience what are the two fire modes?

[Guest]

I`ve dropped Bjorn in on turn one a few times and the HF cannon never lets me down.I should mention that in the cases ive used it,the str test hasn't been a factor as it was either focusing on a vehicle with the single target profile or using the blast on single wound models that would die anyway.

Strength test ability seems very unimpressive. It's a neat extra, but that isn't the main appeal.

 

I think west had it right, it's a half way point between a plasma cannon and a multi-melta, and that does appeal.

[Guest]

For those with out experience what are the two fire modes?

both 24"

 

S6 ap3 blast

and

S8 ap 1

 

Then unsaved wounds cause strength checks. Fails on the strength test remove from play.

[WestRider]

I haven't once had the Strength Test do a thing. Still a pretty solid weapon. Actually, I have a lot more experience with the weapon in general than I do with it on Dreads, since it's also on the StormWolf, which I love.

[Guest]

both 24"

 

S6 ap3 blast

and

S8 ap 1

 

Then unsaved wounds cause strength checks. Fails on the strength test remove from play.

So it's a Multi-melta at 12.1" and further. It's also a plasma cannon against PA space marines.

 

It doesn't get hot, it can snap, and it's not a melta weapon, so the rare few things immune to melta aren't affect(silly, but this last one appeals to me).

 

The Strength test is a neat extra, but I think it's pretty nifty without it. Still, having never seen SW players field them, the question of viability seemed very legit.

[VonVilkee]

That is a nice option, color me jealous. But I totally see why it isn't super popular, not efficient enough points/cash wise.

[WestRider]

Yeah, you can get either a Multi-Melta or a Plasma Cannon significantly cheaper. Paying a premium for the flexibility that most people get through just taking multiple, varied Units.

[Guest]

That is a nice option, color me jealous. But I totally see why it isn't super popular, not efficient enough points/cash wise.

SW have some cool dread options.

 

They have that, plus a DCCW upgrade that gives it shred (dunno why, but my dreads do seem to fail to wound on 2+ a fair amount. If something can go wrong....). Only 5pts and that's on a dread that is 5pts cheaper than the normal dreads. That said, the new SM and DA books have much better dread profiles for that +5pt cost.

 

And they have that "Blizzard Shield" option that gives them a dread with a 3++ to the front arc (which means a 3++ in melee).

 

Plus they've got two character dreads. Yeah, SW color me jealous too, in their dread options. Part of why it saddens me that they never get fielded....