Murphy'sLawyer Posted June 29, 2015 Report Share Posted June 29, 2015 Ok this may be a dump question as I may just be missing the obvious but when looking through the DA codex I noticed only the Battle Demi-Company mentions the Objective Secure rule but it also says for the units that have this rule. I have looked at all the units (I expect only the Tactical and Scouts should have it) none of them list that rule as an ability. Did I miss something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murphy'sLawyer Posted June 29, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 29, 2015 Or does it mean every unit in that formation gets that rule? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestRider Posted June 29, 2015 Report Share Posted June 29, 2015 Everything listed under Special Rules applies to all Models in the Formation. Unless there's some explicit mention otherwise (some say certain Rules apply to all non-Vehicle Models in the Formation, or whatever, for example). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murphy'sLawyer Posted June 29, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 29, 2015 Wow, the Demi-Company just got a lot more attractive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestRider Posted June 29, 2015 Report Share Posted June 29, 2015 Actually, thinking about it some more, I don't think there's anything that inherently has Objective Secured. It's only available so far as a Detachment/Formation benefit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbusePuppy Posted June 29, 2015 Report Share Posted June 29, 2015 It's also available as a granted rule by Pedro Kantor in the SM book, but yeah, no unit has it inherently. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mr. Bigglesworth Posted June 29, 2015 Report Share Posted June 29, 2015 I thought troop slots inherently has it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mr. Bigglesworth Posted June 29, 2015 Report Share Posted June 29, 2015 Demi company is uber powerful Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murphy'sLawyer Posted June 29, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 29, 2015 Looking at my collection I don't have to purchase anything unless I want to try out the Fliers again. Still need to read the rules fully before jumping into a game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted June 29, 2015 Report Share Posted June 29, 2015 I thought troop slots inherently has it?only if the detachment grants it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluger Posted June 29, 2015 Report Share Posted June 29, 2015 I thought troop slots inherently has it? Only in a few detachments, notably the Combined Arms Detachment and the Allied Detachment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mr. Bigglesworth Posted June 29, 2015 Report Share Posted June 29, 2015 Only in a few detachments, notably the Combined Arms Detachment and the Allied Detachment. That is what I meant thanks for clarifying :). I knew non cad or allied detachments did not inherently have it. But thought cad and allied gave it to all troops unless the troop entry said otherwise. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalmer Posted July 3, 2015 Report Share Posted July 3, 2015 Murphy'sLawyer, Yes the battle demi-company is granted Objective Secured as one of it's special rules. Thus, your jump troops and your devastators now have it, too... not just the troops. Stay safe, don 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathanvoodoo Posted July 3, 2015 Report Share Posted July 3, 2015 Where are you seeing that?!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathanvoodoo Posted July 3, 2015 Report Share Posted July 3, 2015 Found it. Holy crap,overpowered much!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgentP Posted July 3, 2015 Report Share Posted July 3, 2015 No, overpowered is taking two demi companies. Now every model on the table is ObSec, and gets a free transport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mr. Bigglesworth Posted July 3, 2015 Report Share Posted July 3, 2015 But it is still a damn good option, as I see no tax. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonVilkee Posted July 3, 2015 Report Share Posted July 3, 2015 While all the units are obsec it really only offsets the weakness of the forced unit choices. Assault element and three Tactical squads are not the most efficient choices but with obsec they become much better. This demi company really plays into the whole every marine matters and can push home the day no matter his role Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 3, 2015 Report Share Posted July 3, 2015 While all the units are obsec it really only offsets the weakness of the forced unit choices. Assault element and three Tactical squads are not the most efficient choices but with obsec they become much better. This demi company really plays into the whole every marine matters and can push home the day no matter his role Agree. It's neat having all the objective secured, but if you weren't planning to field those units anyway, it's really not a great deal. Better off with a CAD. You also have only the worst DA HQ options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalmer Posted July 3, 2015 Report Share Posted July 3, 2015 Hello there, I agree with other posters concerning the "forced choices;" remember that a lot of Dark Angels players work on synergy within their army, so it might be more of a handicap than folks think. In my opinion where this becomes a great option is the Battle Company. I know a lot of talk about "OP" and "cheese" has been coming forth from others about it, which is their right, but it remains an option... just like in the Space Marine codex. With the Battle Company you can really start to fill holes in the army list. I've read that a lot of folks are leaning towards a straight-up CAD; I'm anxious to field-test both options and see. So far on paper the Battle Company and all its perks are obviously an option that looks very good, especially when coupled with Ravenwing elements. ObSec, full BS on overwatch plus Ravenwing special stuff could give a potent assault force that's otherwise lacking. Stay safe, don Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murphy'sLawyer Posted July 4, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 4, 2015 Thanks for the insight guys. I will say I have been leaning towards a mixed DW/RW army but realized neither of the Strike Forces have an objective secure rule. Haven't played in a really long time and was wondering how much of a handicap is that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted July 4, 2015 Report Share Posted July 4, 2015 Obsec is good; obsec is really good in an objective rich environment (ITC). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestRider Posted July 4, 2015 Report Share Posted July 4, 2015 It can be a pretty big deal, yeah. I've particularly noticed that every time I've beaten Dark Eldar, it's at least in part been because I had ObSec, and the Real Space Raiders don't. I'm going to be playing Skitarii and DaemonKin with their special Detachments more soon, and I'm definitely going to be paying attention to how that works out for me without ObSec. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mr. Bigglesworth Posted July 4, 2015 Report Share Posted July 4, 2015 Rw won't feel it as much as they will be able to deny more often, based on speed, but that is only if they are trying to contest a non obj sec unit. Now dw slow and will only own small pockets. If you could tailor your maelstrom deck as agent p has allowed at some events you might be able to mitigate that. Also one Demi comp should give you a minimum amount of obj sec to compete. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestRider Posted July 4, 2015 Report Share Posted July 4, 2015 That is one advantage to the Assault Squad requirement in the Demi-Company. Fast OS Units like that can be great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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