Dark Angels and Objectives

[Murphy'sLawyer]

Ok this may be a dump question as I may just be missing the obvious but when looking through the DA codex I noticed only the Battle Demi-Company mentions the Objective Secure rule but it also says for the units that have this rule. I have looked at all the units (I expect only the Tactical and Scouts should have it) none of them list that rule as an ability.

 

Did I miss something?

[Murphy'sLawyer]

Or does it mean every unit in that formation gets that rule?

[WestRider]

Everything listed under Special Rules applies to all Models in the Formation. Unless there's some explicit mention otherwise (some say certain Rules apply to all non-Vehicle Models in the Formation, or whatever, for example).

[Murphy'sLawyer]

Wow, the Demi-Company just got a lot more attractive.

[WestRider]

Actually, thinking about it some more, I don't think there's anything that inherently has Objective Secured. It's only available so far as a Detachment/Formation benefit.

[AbusePuppy]

It's also available as a granted rule by Pedro Kantor in the SM book, but yeah, no unit has it inherently.

[Guest Mr. Bigglesworth]

I thought troop slots inherently has it?

[Guest Mr. Bigglesworth]

Demi company is uber powerful

[Murphy'sLawyer]

Looking at my collection I don't have to purchase anything unless I want to try out the Fliers again.

 

Still need to read the rules fully before jumping into a game.

[pretre]

I thought troop slots inherently has it?

only if the detachment grants it.

[fluger]

I thought troop slots inherently has it?

Only in a few detachments, notably the Combined Arms Detachment and the Allied Detachment.

[Guest Mr. Bigglesworth]

Only in a few detachments, notably the Combined Arms Detachment and the Allied Detachment.

That is what I meant thanks for clarifying :). I knew non cad or allied detachments did not inherently have it. But thought cad and allied gave it to all troops unless the troop entry said otherwise.

[dalmer]

Murphy'sLawyer,

 

Yes the battle demi-company is granted Objective Secured as one of it's special rules.

 

Thus, your jump troops and your devastators now have it, too... not just the troops. 

 

Stay safe,

 

don

[Nathanvoodoo]

Where are you seeing that?!?

[Nathanvoodoo]

Found it. Holy crap,overpowered much!?

[AgentP]

No, overpowered is taking two demi companies.  Now every model on the table is ObSec, and gets a free transport.

[Guest Mr. Bigglesworth]

But it is still a damn good option, as I see no tax.

[VonVilkee]

While all the units are obsec it really only offsets the weakness of the forced unit choices. Assault element and three Tactical squads are not the most efficient choices but with obsec they become much better.

 

This demi company really plays into the whole every marine matters and can push home the day no matter his role

[Guest]

While all the units are obsec it really only offsets the weakness of the forced unit choices. Assault element and three Tactical squads are not the most efficient choices but with obsec they become much better.

 

This demi company really plays into the whole every marine matters and can push home the day no matter his role

Agree. It's neat having all the objective secured, but if you weren't planning to field those units anyway, it's really not a great deal.  Better off with a CAD.

 

You also have only the worst DA HQ options.

[dalmer]

Hello there,

 

I agree with other posters concerning the "forced choices;" remember that a lot of Dark Angels players work on synergy within their army, so it might be more of a handicap than folks think.

 

In my opinion where this becomes a great option is the Battle Company.  I know a lot of talk about "OP" and "cheese" has been coming forth from others about it, which is their right, but it remains an option... just like in the Space Marine codex.  With the Battle Company you can really start to fill holes in the army list.

 

I've read that a lot of folks are leaning towards a straight-up CAD; I'm anxious to field-test both options and see.  So far on paper the Battle Company and all its perks are obviously an option that looks very good, especially when coupled with Ravenwing elements.  ObSec, full BS on overwatch plus Ravenwing special stuff could give a potent assault force that's otherwise lacking.

 

Stay safe,

 

don

[Murphy'sLawyer]

Thanks for the insight guys. I will say I have been leaning towards a mixed DW/RW army but realized neither of the Strike Forces have an objective secure rule. Haven't played in a really long time and was wondering how much of a handicap is that?

[pretre]

Obsec is good; obsec is really good in an objective rich environment (ITC).

[WestRider]

It can be a pretty big deal, yeah. I've particularly noticed that every time I've beaten Dark Eldar, it's at least in part been because I had ObSec, and the Real Space Raiders don't. I'm going to be playing Skitarii and DaemonKin with their special Detachments more soon, and I'm definitely going to be paying attention to how that works out for me without ObSec.

[Guest Mr. Bigglesworth]

Rw won't feel it as much as they will be able to deny more often, based on speed, but that is only if they are trying to contest a non obj sec unit. Now dw slow and will only own small pockets.

 

If you could tailor your maelstrom deck as agent p has allowed at some events you might be able to mitigate that. Also one Demi comp should give you a minimum amount of obj sec to compete.

[WestRider]

That is one advantage to the Assault Squad requirement in the Demi-Company. Fast OS Units like that can be great.