pretre Posted July 14, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 14, 2015 The problem AgentP, is that the community that is "enjoying" it, isn't offering solutions to the problems that people have been expressing. No one is shouting that you can't have fun with AoS. What many are complaining about is the lack of composition rules. For the last 20 years, WFB players built armies based on a point system that gave us the illusion that our forces were relatively equal. There is a need in the community to have that feeling again even with AoS. So far nothing that has come from GW concerning AoS is solving that issue. And no matter how much fun people have playing it, that doesn't magically create a comp system. All of this cheering for AoS isn't solving the problem either. You're missing the point. He isn't saying not to complain. He's saying take it to another thread. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blustorm Posted July 14, 2015 Report Share Posted July 14, 2015 Seriously, guys. If a bunch of people were talking about how lame and unfun KoW is in a KoW thread, you'd be just as annoyed. Please take the anti-AoS talk somewhere else. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted July 14, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 14, 2015 via anonymous sources on Faeit 212a quote for the Duardin Fyreslayers"For enough Ur-gold, the Fyreslayers will fight anyone.The first strikes of the Stormcast Eternal were against the Chaos foces in Aqushy. Yet other forces rose up to battle also. the flame beareded Fyreslayers emerged from the mountains, marching down the ironways. While Sigmar had alwasy counted the Forge-Father Grungni and his offstpring amonst his closest allies, these Duarddin worshipped the god Grimnir, and were far more mercenary. They fought against Chaos, but only for payment in Ur-gold. More disturbing still, if a counter-offer was generous enough, the Fyreslayters would just as willingly fight alongside Chaos armies." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgentP Posted July 14, 2015 Report Share Posted July 14, 2015 I'm loving the ascension of the Horned Rat 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Glacius Posted July 14, 2015 Report Share Posted July 14, 2015 You're missing the point. He isn't saying not to complain. He's saying take it to another thread. Before he edited the post, AgentP was talking about top Warhammer players changing their opinions on the game after playing it some more and then said the complainers were sounding like old men yelling at kids to get off their lawn. That is what I was replying to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prophecy Posted July 14, 2015 Report Share Posted July 14, 2015 Love me some mercenaries. This is the one bit I have been holding out for as my dogs of war could always use more units that look cool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romes Posted July 14, 2015 Report Share Posted July 14, 2015 Because without points the way some have been scaling the game has been with wound count and the new models are way better when you compare models by wounds. But the game doesn't scale that way, players are choosing to apply that scale in absence of another one. So, the models are only "better" by a scale that is not designed to be balanced by GW, which undermines the idea that they're putting out "better" models to sell them. Either they don't have a balance system (which I believe to be the case) or they're making new models unfairly balanced. They can't be doing both at once. If players are balancing based on wounds, and that's what defines what's good, that's the players fault. They've at this point (mostly from individual store leaks) provided suggestions of wound counts, but there is no system in the rules which establishes that. I personally think lack of a point system was a huge mistake. But, you can't accuse them of every sin at once when they're contradictory. No points = everything is equally good or bad, save player injected norms. Note that this is both why it's easy for GW to do and why it's a disservice to players who can no longer cite a shared source of what their army power level is without resorting to unintended proxies. As you're exploring this game, in general, right now, it's not useful to look at battle scrolls as good or bad, it's useful mainly to consider them interesting or uninteresting. (Note that I'm trying to address a previous statement and clarify rather than making a direct complaint) My direct complaint is that I swore those horns would be Malekith/Morathi but it's a stupid rat man!!! booooo! >.< Thanks for the continued leaks. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted July 14, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 14, 2015 Seriously, guys. If a bunch of people were talking about how lame and unfun KoW is in a KoW thread, you'd be just as annoyed. Please take the anti-AoS talk somewhere else. Can we listen to Blustorm, please? There's like five other AOS threads to discuss balance, etc so on. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
savion47 Posted July 14, 2015 Report Share Posted July 14, 2015 Can we listen to Blustorm, please? There's like five other AOS threads to discuss balance, etc so on. Thank you again for being diligent about posting rumors over here. Yes please keep on topic and discuss game balancing in the thread started for this topic. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evil_bryan Posted July 14, 2015 Report Share Posted July 14, 2015 Attention lover and haters! I know the 8th / AoS situation has polarized opinions, and we are nowhere close to the end of this GW inspired drama. It is critical that we refrain from off topic posts to keep threads on track. Discussion is critical as we all process these changes, and I am asking the mod team to provide a wide birth on these threads. That being said, trolling and personal attacks will not be tolerated. If you have any issues or questions, feel free to reach out to me directly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted July 15, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2015 Next Saturday's White Dwarf (in german) - by Gamestrust.de http://www.gamestrust.de/tabletop/news,warhammer-age-sigmar-bilder-preise-lord-castellant-gryph-hounds-warscrolls,id44608.html http://www.gamestrust.de/bilder,list1246,1,warhammer-age-sigmar.html Some of the pics after the spoilertag Gryph Hounds have 'Hit&Run' Lord Castellant - Anti-daemon lantern and additional magic protection in 12" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted July 15, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2015 Haven't seen these posted yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted July 15, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2015 Not sure if there is anything new but these pages of the upcoming AoS book were shown on the GW blog today: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottshoemaker Posted July 15, 2015 Report Share Posted July 15, 2015 So Metal...it does allow them to go OTT with their designs and not have to stick to any pre-existing asthetic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sylvos Posted July 15, 2015 Report Share Posted July 15, 2015 This is all very exciting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sylvos Posted July 15, 2015 Report Share Posted July 15, 2015 I may have to paint up a 3rd treeman! MOAR DRYADS! The excitement is tangible! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted July 15, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2015 I may have to paint up a 3rd treeman! MOAR DRYADS! The excitement is tangible! You only have two treemen painted? What kind of Welf are you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted July 15, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2015 Also, it is very convenient that they are Sylvaneth now, eh Sylvos? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sylvos Posted July 15, 2015 Report Share Posted July 15, 2015 I still have 3 boxes of Treemen left to assemble! THIS IS GOING TO BE AWESOME! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted July 15, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2015 Warning Cry: It is said that is impossible to sneak up on a Gryph-hound. If an enemy unit is set up within 10" of this unit, roll two dice. Any unit within that many inches of the Gryph-hounds is alerted to the enemy unit's presence, and can attack it with one of its weapons as though it was your shooting phase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sylvos Posted July 15, 2015 Report Share Posted July 15, 2015 Warning Cry: It is said that is impossible to sneak up on a Gryph-hound. If an enemy unit is set up within 10" of this unit, roll two dice. Any unit within that many inches of the Gryph-hounds is alerted to the enemy unit's presence, and can attack it with one of its weapons as though it was your shooting phase. omg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted July 15, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2015 omg Summoning protection? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sylvos Posted July 15, 2015 Report Share Posted July 15, 2015 Summoning protection? That is an awesome reaction and yes, anti-summon protection :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgentP Posted July 15, 2015 Report Share Posted July 15, 2015 Interceptor. Cool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClassicFlava Posted July 15, 2015 Report Share Posted July 15, 2015 Summoning protection? Summons have to be 9 inches away from an enemy anyway. I'll just put it more than 10 inches away. Pretty minor impact on summoning imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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