fluger Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 I've wanted to incorporate Raven Guard with my IG for ages, but stay away from it since they've always been hot garbage. The new Shadowstrike Kill Team though offers a great way to incorporate them. Here's the bare bones of what I'm thinking about. I'm trying to think of ways to cut points to get Coteaz into the blob Allied Detachment: 1120 Commissar Yarrick: 145 Priest: 30 Meltabombs Infantry Platoon: 580 PCS: 35 Mortar Squad: 100 Power Axe, Lascannon, Meltagun, Meltabombs Squad: 100 Power Axe, Lascannon, Meltagun, Meltabombs Squad: 95 Power Axe, Lascannon, Flamer, Meltabombs Squad: 95 Power Axe, Lascannon, Flamer, Meltabombs Squad: 95 Power Axe, Lascannon, Flamer, Meltabombs 20 Conscripts: 60 2 Leman Russ Eradicators: 280 Multimelta Sponsons Aegis Defense Line: 85 Icarus Lascannon Shadowstrike Kill Team: 825 5 Scouts: 55 + 50 Bolters Land Speeder Storm: Multimelta 5 Scouts: 55 + 50 Bolters Land Speeder Storm: Multimelta 5 Scouts: 55 + 50 Bolters Land Speeder Storm: Multimelta 10 Vanguard Vets: 255 2 Lightning Claws, 2 Power Mauls, 2 Power Axes, 1 Meltabombs, Jump Packs 10 Vanguard Vets: 255 2 Lightning Claws, 2 Power Mauls, 2 Power Axes, 1 Meltabombs, Jump Packs That 1945 pts. I'm shooting for a 2k and 1850 version. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestRider Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 Is the Icarus Lascannon still really worth it in 7th? Now that it has to snap-fire to hit ground targets, that seems like it might be a place to trim. Then maybe a Lightning Claw or Power Axe from each Vanguard Squad? That would get you Coteaz in at 2K. From there, cutting one of the Vanguard Squads in half seems like the easiest place to trim to go for 1850. The other option I can see is cutting the blob down to 40, and dropping one of the Storms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluger Posted November 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 Yeah, not sure if the Icarus is worth it, but I wanted the aegis and it gives me SOMETHING to shoot at planes with. Another option is I can eschew the Leman Russes and Coteaz and go for the formation with the two stormtalons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 Yeah, not sure if the Icarus is worth it, but I wanted the aegis and it gives me SOMETHING to shoot at planes with. Another option is I can eschew the Leman Russes and Coteaz and go for the formation with the two stormtalons. Take an ammo dump instead of an icarus? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluger Posted November 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 Ammo dump is only every model in range of it, I don't want to cluster my lascannons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestRider Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 If you keep the Speeder cheap, you can get two StormTalons from a Raptor Wing for like 275, wouldn't even have to drop Coteaz. Oh, wait, except for the restriction on number of Detachments. Hmmm. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Hanaur Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 The Comms Relay might be highly useful though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluger Posted November 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 If you keep the Speeder cheap, you can get two StormTalons from a Raptor Wing for like 275, wouldn't even have to drop Coteaz. Oh, wait, except for the restriction on number of Detachments. Hmmm. I was thinking INSTEAD of coteaz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluger Posted November 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 The Comms Relay might be highly useful though. Not really, since the vanguard vets get to choose if they pass or fail the the test to come in from reserves. Maybe for the scouts though? Hmmm, since then I could put them in outflank and have them come in reliably, and move deep into the board edges, and, unlike homing beacons and the like, their rule doesn't force me to have had them start on the board to get the no scatter bonus for the van vets. I wonder then about the operation order of rolling for reserves and then choosing whether to come in or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestRider Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 I was thinking INSTEAD of coteaz. Yeah, I was just trying to figure out how to have it all. If you do drop Coteaz, it works fine Detachment-wise, and gets you pretty close to 1850. Not really, since the vanguard vets get to choose if they pass or fail the the test to come in from reserves. Maybe for the scouts though? Hmmm, since then I could put them in outflank and have them come in reliably, and move deep into the board edges, and, unlike homing beacons and the like, their rule doesn't force me to have had them start on the board to get the no scatter bonus for the van vets. I wonder then about the operation order of rolling for reserves and then choosing whether to come in or not. You can roll for your Reserves in any order, because they're a Start of Phase thing that doesn't specify. The Vets still technically roll, you just get to choose the result of the roll. So you can leave the Vets until last, and if you don't get what you need with the Scouts, you can have the Vets stay on the ThunderHawk. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluger Posted November 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 Oops, one problem with the Raptor Wing as the 3rd detachment, and one of the reasons I had thought of Coteaz is that if I don't have him, then one of the random sarges in the Shadowstrike Kill Team has to be my warlord since your warlord can't come from an Allied Detachment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestRider Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 Ah, yes, that is a good point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluger Posted November 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 1850 version: Allied Detachment: 925 Commissar Yarrick: 145 Priest: 25 Infantry Platoon: 425 PCS: 35 Mortar Squad: 100 Power Axe, Lascannon, Meltagun, Meltabombs Squad: 100 Power Axe, Lascannon, Meltagun, Meltabombs Squad: 95 Power Axe, Lascannon, Flamer, Meltabombs Squad: 95 Power Axe, Lascannon, Flamer, Meltabombs 2 Leman Russ Eradicators: 280 Multimelta Sponsons Aegis Defense Line: 50 Shadowstrike Kill Team: 825 5 Scouts: 55 + 50 Bolters Land Speeder Storm: Multimelta 5 Scouts: 55 + 50 Bolters Land Speeder Storm: Multimelta 5 Scouts: 55 + 50 Bolters Land Speeder Storm: Multimelta 10 Vanguard Vets: 255 2 Lightning Claws, 2 Power Mauls, 2 Power Axes, 1 Meltabombs, Jump Packs 10 Vanguard Vets: 255 2 Lightning Claws, 2 Power Mauls, 2 Power Axes, 1 Meltabombs, Jump Packs Inquisitorial Detachment: 100 Coteaz: 100 For a 2k OFCC list I'd add in another squad of guardsmen with Power Axe, Lascannon, and Meltabombs, and then 20 Conscripts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winterman Posted November 20, 2015 Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 Allied detachment doesn't have a fortification slot. Not sure if Inquis one does, it may but I don't think it does. May need to bite the bullet and take a vet squad and make the IG a CAD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluger Posted November 20, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 Allied detachment doesn't have a fortification slot. Not sure if Inquis one does, it may but I don't think it does. May need to bite the bullet and take a vet squad and make the IG a CAD. Nah, just drop the Aegis. Then I'd get a Primaris Psyker for the same price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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