KlawKnee Posted March 18, 2016 Report Share Posted March 18, 2016 On a more positive note total war: warhammer has its own book series in April http://i.imgur.com/edPI8B7.png 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Glacius Posted March 18, 2016 Report Share Posted March 18, 2016 I just don't see why GW abandoned 8th. They could have easily devised a different backstory for AoS without wiping out the Old World. Hell, Sigmar had left the Old World already...they could have had AoS be the tale of this travels or something. At least that would have left the door open to returning to it in case they wanted to. And Ronnie at Mantic must have known this was coming. The timing of KoW 2nd edition was simply too good to be coincidence. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted March 18, 2016 Report Share Posted March 18, 2016 I just don't see why GW abandoned 8th. They could have easily devised a different backstory for AoS without wiping out the Old World. Hell, Sigmar had left the Old World already...they could have had AoS be the tale of this travels or something. At least that would have left the door open to returning to it in case they wanted to. And Ronnie at Mantic must have known this was coming. The timing of KoW 2nd edition was simply too good to be coincidence. Copyrights. It was all about making their world unique enough to copyright and make other people copying it harder. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Glacius Posted March 18, 2016 Report Share Posted March 18, 2016 They could have still done that and left the old world alone. You don't have to destroy an old IP in order to create a new one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myster2 Posted March 18, 2016 Report Share Posted March 18, 2016 Have you been playing KoW on Vassel?...wondering as I always thought the game would work very well for the Vassel system and getting practice games in:) It's more popular on universal battle. Although the group is kind of taking a break because of spring and all that. Vassel i think would be better but it sounds like nobody ever completed the module for it. 9th is also super popular on universal battle. If you ever want to play a game let me know. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted March 18, 2016 Report Share Posted March 18, 2016 They could have still done that and left the old world alone. You don't have to destroy an old IP in order to create a new one.Possibly, although the old worlds problem was that it was too generic and too easy to hijack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prophecy Posted March 18, 2016 Report Share Posted March 18, 2016 All they need to do is give up on writing rules and start giving us "some of the world's greatest models" We all know they never claim to make the greatest games in the world so find people who do and continue to make models that serve those games.The story is the best part. It was that open feeling that we all wanted including other companies. You don't get to have the whole market. Sorry it doesn't work that way. Take it as a sign you need to provide more not less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
splinx Posted March 18, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2016 All they need to do is give up on writing rules and start giving us "some of the world's greatest models" We all know they never claim to make the greatest games in the world so find people who do and continue to make models that serve those games.The story is the best part. It was that open feeling that we all wanted including other companies. You don't get to have the whole market. Sorry it doesn't work that way. Take it as a sign you need to provide more not less. Totally and utterly agree on this sentiment! If this had been the view from the get go we wouldn't need all this and Gw would still have thousands of potential customers that have now left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 Copyrights. It was all about making their world unique enough to copyright and make other people copying it harder. While I agree that's why they did it, it was still a really poorly thought out move. Much of the fantasy setting thrives due to the lack of copyrights and GW's strong point on the fantasy models is their kits/sculpts, so getting the copyright on the exact name for "dwarves" and "elves" is a huge waste. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Glacius Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 Possibly, although the old worlds problem was that it was too generic and too easy to hijack. Then they probably shouldn't have stolen so much to begin with. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 Then they probably shouldn't have stolen so much to begin with. I don't disagree, but that doesn't change that the underlying reason they moved from WHFB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Glacius Posted March 29, 2016 Report Share Posted March 29, 2016 Let's say AoS doesn't do well. How long will GW prop it up before it decides to go in another direction? Do you think GW will get out of the fantasy genre completely? With everything that has been going on in the industry, and especially now with the rise of X-Wing, if AoS doesn't take off, I see it gone in five years. And I think GW will just drop fantasy altogether. For me, AoS hasn't inspired me at all. A big part of it is because I'm coming from WFB. They need a more advanced game in order to get me back. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
splinx Posted March 29, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 29, 2016 GW obviously is money driven as a business so i don't think they would hesitate to pull AOS if it was bleeding expenditure with no return. I think it will be quicker than 5 years if things don't pick up. I give it 18 months and if there hasn't been a huge increase in players and people buying stuff it will go the way of Fantasy and die off and GW will probably concentrate on Specialist / limited edition games and 40k as their staple. I too have found nothing in the AOS fluff that inspires me to get back involved with it at all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raindog Posted March 29, 2016 Report Share Posted March 29, 2016 In five years, if AOS is not profitable, GW will retire the game. It is a logical business decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted March 29, 2016 Report Share Posted March 29, 2016 In five years, if AOS is not profitable, GW will retire the game. It is a logical business decision. Heh. GW and logic... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KlawKnee Posted March 29, 2016 Report Share Posted March 29, 2016 Idk if kings of war becomes popular enough they might sell the pdfs on black library Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Glacius Posted March 30, 2016 Report Share Posted March 30, 2016 I just wish I could figure out why GW decided to stop being a game company and just become a miniature company. Is there really a large enough portion of their customers that just by the models for the sake of owning them? Are collectors driving sales? I own armies because I want to play those armies in the games. The background and fluff combined with the rules are what made me buy their models. It just boggles my mind that they care so little about the rules. Without them, their IP means nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swan-of-War Posted March 30, 2016 Report Share Posted March 30, 2016 Players: "Your rules suck! You can't run tournaments! Such-and-such codex ruined the game!" (repeat for 20 years) GW: "Fine, you guys have at it if it's so easy." Players: "..." GW: "Told you." 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Glacius Posted March 30, 2016 Report Share Posted March 30, 2016 The difference is, during those 20 years, we were buying their minis. Now, we aren't. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted March 30, 2016 Report Share Posted March 30, 2016 The difference is, during those 20 years, we were buying their minis. Now, we aren't. And yet we are... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
splinx Posted March 30, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2016 The difference is, during those 20 years, we were buying their minis. Now, we aren't. Echo this comment! I have only purchased 40k stuff over the last year after spending thousands on fantasy over the last 25 yrs. If they ever did the same to 40k i would stop as well and spend money on infinity/deadzone or another game. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kremmet Posted March 30, 2016 Report Share Posted March 30, 2016 Players: "Your rules suck! You can't run tournaments! Such-and-such codex ruined the game!" (repeat for 20 years) GW: "Fine, you guys have at it if it's so easy." Players: "..." GW: "Told you." So I'm not super into this fight, but this statement is wrong. That'd be like being pissed that your mechanic punched a hole through your engine block while fixing the breaks, telling you to handle the repairs, and then laughing when you also fail. Turns out most people expect people with certain job titles to have some level of competency at that job. I'm not saying that the player base wasn't capable of being toxic, but blaming players for having a hard time fixing things that, in the end, GW is at fault for introducing isn't exactly a strong argument. It's ok to expect more of companies even when you're a fan of what they do. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swan-of-War Posted March 31, 2016 Report Share Posted March 31, 2016 Meh. I think they were doing fine up until 'Ard Boyz. They caved in to whiny players and things spiraled from there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 6, 2016 Report Share Posted April 6, 2016 Players: "Your rules suck! You can't run tournaments! Such-and-such codex ruined the game!" (repeat for 20 years) GW: "Fine, you guys have at it if it's so easy." Players: "..." GW: "Told you." So while I agree this may be how it happened, what I don't understand is why they felt the need to create a new edition. I mean, if they wanted to stop making rules, making a new edition seems like the opposite of a solution. They could have just let fantasy continue running as before, and just never make new rules. Just continue making models and selling PDF versions of the rules. There wasn't anything wrong with the old fantasy ruleset that was fixed by the current edition. Even the copyrighting, could have been done by slowly replacing the old books with new books that have no new content, just renamed armies and models. Round bases too, just slowly replace things. Seems like GW put great effort into sabotaging their own product and fan-base without any real gain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KlawKnee Posted April 8, 2016 Report Share Posted April 8, 2016 The Emperors armies -Sword of vengeance -sword of justice Plus short stories- feast of horrors & dury and honour. Lord of chaos -archaon: everchosen -archaon: lord of chaos Plus short story- archaon: the fall and the rise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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