New Terminator Chaplain

[pretre]

[scottshoemaker]

Now with 75% more skulls!

[InfestedKerrigan]

One for each store, I'm sure.  

[KIRBY]

He is skullrific!

[fluger]

Sad, the old model was always one of my favorites and I see its no longer on the GW website.  

 

RIP old friend.

 

[spagunk]

The now old one is a goodie. VERY 40k and fierce.

[WestRider]

I made sure to get myself one of the old ones, years ago. The new one is cool, but I'm glad I did get the older one.

 

I do really like that the new one has the CCW in the right hand and Storm Bolter in the left. That always bugs me about Termies, that they've got their CCW in their off hand.

[InfestedKerrigan]

In the grim darkness of the future, there is only southpaws.

[fluger]

I made sure to get myself one of the old ones, years ago. The new one is cool, but I'm glad I did get the older one.

 

I do really like that the new one has the CCW in the right hand and Storm Bolter in the left. That always bugs me about Termies, that they've got their CCW in their off hand.

That's bugged me about a lot GW models with pistol and CCW.  The vast majority seen to have the CCW in their left hand, which makes no sense.  

 

 

 

[WestRider]

In the grim darkness of the future, there is only southpaws.

But they all fire their Bolters and such like they're righties. Heresy-era Armour even has the left side less protected because it's stated that it's more important to keep the right arm functioning.

 

That's bugged me about a lot GW models with pistol and CCW.  The vast majority seen to have the CCW in their left hand, which makes no sense.  

 

Having done both in situations like paintball and LARPing, I would far prefer having to shoot with my left hand than having to use a sword or something with my left hand. One more example of GW's people having zero relevant experience with what they're making.

[fluger]

Having done both in situations like paintball and LARPing, I would far prefer having to shoot with my left hand than having to use a sword or something with my left hand. One more example of GW's people having zero relevant experience with what they're making.

 

Honestly, it would only take a second to think about how stupid it is.  Aiming down a pistol barrel isn't that hard left-handed.  Trying to swing a sword with anything other than your main hand is crazy. 

 

Incidentally, my personal fluff is that all Orks are lefty by default.  

[InfestedKerrigan]

You keep assuming that Astartes primary hand is their right.  That's pretty closed minded of all you right handed peeps.  I bet you paint them Caucasian, too.

[WestRider]

You keep assuming that Astartes primary hand is their right.  That's pretty closed minded of all you right handed peeps.  I bet you paint them Caucasian, too.

 

 

But they all fire their Bolters and such like they're righties. Heresy-era Armour even has the left side less protected because it's stated that it's more important to keep the right arm functioning.

It's canonical that their right arm is the primary. I wasn't just making assumptions in that bit about Heresy-era Power Armour. It's been stated, explicitly, multiple times over the years.

 

And almost all of my Marines wear their helmets, because the alternative is stupid, but the few where I did have them bare-headed are done in a variety of skin tones, just like my IG and Culties ;)

[InfestedKerrigan]

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/d__/images/b/b9/Emperor_vs_Horus.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20111011103905&path-prefix=dow

 

Except it is clear that Horus is left handed, and we know that Big E wasn't fighting at full strength, so as to ensure the best result for all of humanity, thus shown here, depicting him fighting with his off hand, while his clone child is fighting at full power with the best hand.  

 

[insert princess bride meme]

[dalmer]

Hello there,

 

Just tossing out an alternative view coming from real world experience / situations from a tactical perspective, commenting on the Astartes examples provided above having their ranged weapons in their right hand and have their CCW in their left / off hand.

 

Far more difficult to shoot one-handed accurately; much more difficult to do so with your off-hand.  Thus, for hit ratios (i.e. put the enemy down prior to them getting to you) it makes sense to use the strong hand for one-handed shooting.  With regards to accuracy, for you fans of numbers use just a regular old Glock 22 (.40) with a 4.5" barrel.  A 4 degree deviation of this barrel (i.e. yaw, roll, up, down, etc.) translates at about 10 feet to be the width of your thumb.  But that same deviation will have someone miss a human-sized chest target completely at 10 feet.  So a little deviation makes a HUGE difference at distances.

 

TL;DR:  makes sense to one-hand their ranged weapons with their dominant hand.

 

Having their CCW weapon in the off-hand is an offshoot (no pun intended) of the above:  as I stab/slash/etc. with my off-hand, I'm shooting with my strong hand.  I have to keep the superior weapon system (i.e. the gun) in the fight as long as I can.  And since they're Astartes and all buff n' stuff (and cheers for power armor), they can effectively dual wield without the muscle fatigue that you or I would feel.

 

I can honestly say that me and most of the friends from tac that I've shown 40k models to just assume that the only lefties in the 41st Millennium are the ones holding pistols in their left (strong) hands... everyone else is doing the tactically sound thing... keeping their gun in their dominant hand to finish the fight more effectively.

 

Stay safe,

 

don

[WestRider]

A) They both have a CCW in/on each hand in that pic. They've each got a Lightning Claw as well as the Mace/Sword.

 

B), I was perhaps taking it a bit far in stating that right-handedness is universal among Space Marines, but it's equally unlikely that they're all lefties. Like I said before, almost all the Marines with Bolters are clearly using them right-handed.

 

Therefore, either all left-handed Marines go into Assault specialties, while all right-handers go into shooty specialties, or GW doesn't know what they're doing. Which seems more likely?

 

@Dalmer: The various descriptions of Marines fighting in CC make it pretty clear that they consider the CCW to be their primary weapon when operating in an Assault Role, and the gun is secondary, for when they can't reach something with the CCW. The way they write the Rules for Pistols in CC backs that up. Which brings us back to the conclusion above, that GW doesn't know what they're doing.

[InfestedKerrigan]

Yes, they do have Power Weapon/Lightning claw, but mirrored.  :)  Although, perhaps Horus uses the Worldbreaker as a shield/parry tool, allowing him for finesse and fine control with the Lightning claw.

[InfestedKerrigan]

Also, I don't think it matters the subject we breach, we can all agree GW doesn't know WTF is up.

[pretre]

I would argue that Space Marines are almost certainly Ambidextrous. I mean, why wouldn't the big E put that in there when throwing in all the other traits and training.

[andozane]

I would argue that Space Marines are almost certainly Ambidextrous. I mean, why wouldn't the big E put that in there when throwing in all the other traits and training.

 

Stop trying to bring logic to a sci fi universe...this discussion has been very entertaining to me :)

[splinx]

Sad, the old model was always one of my favorites and I see its no longer on the GW website.  

 

RIP old friend.

 

 

I actually picked this up about 3 weeks ago and painted it up! Lovely model to paint! :)

[pretre]

I think I just sold one at the GG sale or last week too. It's a popular model.

[fluger]

Its a great model, but Chaplains are poor in most regards unless as a tax in Battle Company, and then you don't want the terminator armor cost.  Until they make Terminator Armor worth something, I just can't see him being used much in competitive events.  

[Skkipper]

Its a great model, but Chaplains are poor in most regards unless as a tax in Battle Company, and then you don't want the terminator armor cost. Until they make Terminator Armor worth something, I just can't see him being used much in competitive events.

[Skkipper]

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