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here's a question i just thought of: if you shoot a guy through smoke with msv, technically they cant see you... is that considered within LoF and can they dodge?  that seems dirty if so lol.

as for pheonix link, yea i used that last week.  he is a murdering machine as advertised.  im going to go away from heavy on the greek guys for a while just cause i can only stand greek fraternity for so long :rolleyes:

 

I think you can Dodge, but you're -3 if you don't have LOF to where the shot is coming from?

 

I could be wrong. Hasn't come up yet in the few games I've played. :)

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It is very different than the conventions that most of the other games adhere to (2d6 Ld/Courage/willpower tests etc)

 

These go away fast as people get it better.

 

Our group only derps over timing really.

 

as for smoke, two models can not draw los/lof through it. In this case MSV2 ignores smoke, granting that model LOS/LoF. If that active MSV2 model fires on a non MSV equipped model through said smoke, the MSV2 model takes not penalty, while the non MSV model suffers a -6BS penalty to fire back (shooting back desperately at the muzzle flash and the like).

 

The rulebook has better graphics and more articulation than I do though so double check with that before you believe anything I say!

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Looking at this for a list in the "high ground" scenario next week.

logo_13.png Military Orders
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Group 1 sep.gifsep.giforden_regular.png7 orden_irregular.png0 orden_impetuosa.png2
logo_1.png FUSILIER Lieutenant Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (10)
logo_9.png MAGISTER KNIGHT Panzerfaust, Light Shotgun / Pistol, EXP CCW. (25)
logo_9.png MAGISTER KNIGHT Panzerfaust, Light Shotgun / Pistol, DA CCW. (24)
logo_2.png SPEC. SERGEANT (CH: TO Camouflage, Infiltration) MULTI Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 33)
logo_2.png SPEC. SERGEANT (CH: TO Camouflage, Infiltration, Forward Observer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (27)
logo_2.png SPEC. SERGEANT Hacker (Hacking Device) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 21)
logo_1.png FUSILIER Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (10)

2 SWC | 150 Points

Open with Army 5
 

 

If I get points, good for me.  Mainly I'm trying to learn the game, and this gives me new options and units to test out.

 

Cleaning and assembling Joan today.  I would love to put a masked head on her, as painting flesh is still my least favorite thing to do.  The other alternative is to just paint her head up in the same color scheme as the armor as if it IS a mask or an AI presence. 

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I think you can Dodge, but you're -3 if you don't have LOF to where the shot is coming from?

 

I could be wrong. Hasn't come up yet in the few games I've played. :)

 

Looking through the book, so far, if you don't have LOF to your attacker, you can't Dodge - with the exception being template weapons. If you're hit by a template and can't see your attacker, you can Dodge -3.

 

Still looking, though. Not having a chance to Dodge would be really important. :)

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Looking through the book, so far, if you don't have LOF to your attacker, you can't Dodge - with the exception being template weapons. If you're hit by a template and can't see your attacker, you can Dodge -3.

 

Still looking, though. Not having a chance to Dodge would be really important. :)

yea think everyone keeps forgetting this lol.  you have to have lof to dodge regardless(and that makes sense unless you have sixth sense amirite?)!  the -3 is only for templates you can see shooting you

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Got stomped twice by DP today at 150 and 170 points.   I had strong points in both games, and I got to test a few units out, but I just couldn't keep up the pressure.  He hacked the [big bad swear word] out of me in the 170 game, which brought my magisters to a halt.  In the 150 game, I started out strong, but couldn't kill any of his insanely good, smoke-laying mother f-ers.   I like to think I put up a good fight, and look forward to getting more games in.

 

 

Magisters are still the [big bad swear word], I just need more practice with them.  Honestly when they are in linked groups I can't think of a better 25 point model. 

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i think we should have more myrmidon vs magister action.  they are really an interesting mirror match.  you dodge on a 17 and i dodge on a 15 with smoke and ODD.  both have very good elusiveness and just want to get into CC and murder the [big bad swear word] out of each other.  you almost killed my asura even when i was protecting her which is pretty amazing.  that game was super close cause if i didnt get those hacks off its a totally different game.  second game was the first time i got really annoying with myrmidons.  i was pissed you killed my agema that i was looking forward to using lol.  looking forward to more games!  i cant get enough of this game.

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My take at the DontPanic-inspired take many robots list.


logo_13.png Military Orders
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Group 1 sep.gifsep.giforden_regular.png 10 orden_irregular.png0 orden_impetuosa.png0
logo_1.png FUSILIER Lieutenant Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (10)
logo_1.png FUSILIER Hacker (Hacking Device) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 18)
logo_1.png FUSILIER Hacker (Hacking Device) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 18)
logo_2.png SPEC. SERGEANT (Multispectral Visor L2) Spitfire / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 24)
logo_2.png SPEC. SERGEANT (Multispectral Visor L2) Spitfire / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 24)
logo_2.png ORDER SERGEANT Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (13)
logo_2.png ORDER SERGEANT Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (13)
logo_2.png ORDER SERGEANT Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (13)
logo_2.png ORDER SERGEANT Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (13)
logo_2.png ORDER SERGEANT Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (13)

Group 2 sep.gifsep.giforden_regular.png8 orden_irregular.png0 orden_impetuosa.png0
logo_20.png TRAUMA-DOC Combi Rifle  / Pistol, Knife. (14)
logo_17.png PEACEMAKER Heavy Shotgun + AUXBOT_1 / Electric Pulse. (23)
sep.giflogo_17_2.png AUXBOT_1 Heavy Flamethrower / Electric Pulse. (4)
logo_17.png PEACEMAKER Heavy Shotgun + AUXBOT_1 / Electric Pulse. (23)
sep.giflogo_17_2.png AUXBOT_1 Heavy Flamethrower / Electric Pulse. (4)
logo_21.png MACHINIST Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (15)
logo_16.png BULLETEER Spitfire / Electric Pulse. (1 | 25)
logo_16.png BULLETEER Spitfire / Electric Pulse. (1 | 25)
logo_19.png MULEBOT (Minesweeper) Electric Pulse. (8)
logo_15.png FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (8)

6 SWC | 300 Points

Open with Army 5
 

 

I actually really enjoy it.

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Properly stomped by Eric and Pete today in 2 150 point games.  Everything operated as intended, I just need more practice.  Also, speculative fire is total bull[big bad swear word]!  :)


Picked up a PanO starter kit afterwards to get my cheap fusiliers and a few other models.  Look forward to pumping out some new stuff this week.

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Something like this maybe (really wish I could squeeze out those last 3 points):

 

logo_13.png Military Orders
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Group 1 sep.gifsep.giforden_regular.png8 orden_irregular.png0 orden_impetuosa.png0
logo_1.png FUSILIER Lieutenant Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (10)
logo_1.png FUSILIER (Forward Observer, Deployable Repeater) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (12)
logo_1.png FUSILIER HMG / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 18)
logo_2.png SPEC. SERGEANT (CH: TO Camouflage, Infiltration) MULTI Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 33)
logo_2.png SPEC. SERGEANT (CH: TO Camouflage, Infiltration, Forward Observer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (27)
logo_2.png SPEC. SERGEANT Hacker (Hacking Device) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 21)
logo_2.png ORDER SERGEANT Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (13)
logo_2.png ORDER SERGEANT Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (13)

3 SWC | 147 Points

Open with Army 5

 

 

I'm also having a hard time deciding if I'm playing too aggressively, or not aggressive enough.  Game is tricky, yo!


 

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yea spec fire is good, but it does entail a -6 mod and takes ya down to B1 but considering you cant generally see it you dont get to dodge which is bad for your poor knights cause of fire/explosive ammo :(  i finally got down spec fire after [big bad swear word]ing it up for the first few weeks lol. 

 

You can Dodge (at -3) vs. Speculative fire templates, even if you can't see the shooter. (See "Dodging Template Weapons", pg 55) The example on pg 63 does that too, with Poor Old Angus. LOL.

 

Also, when you use Speculative fire template, you don't -have- to target a model. You can target the ground next to him, and ignore cover/ODD/TO Camo, etc (See "Speculative Fire Tactical Advice", pg 62)

 

Unless I am missing something somewhere, the above are things I've had done to me over the past 4 games! LOL! :)

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Got the 'stucco' layer onto two of my buildings today, as soon as they dry I can add detail then spray the first coat of primer onto them. 

I spent some time looking at list-building, and from what I have learned in my games so far I came to this conclusion: DIVERSITY. IS. GOOD.  Having a lot of different specialists and different types of troops not only gives you flexibility, but it also forces your opponent to choose which models are the highest threat.  It is ok to want to have an army that is good at shooting, or good at hacking, or table control, or combat, or whatever, but you also need to cover your bases.  Even a single model with a different trick up it's sleeve can completely throw your opponent off guard.   With that in mind, I made this list:

logo_13.png Military Orders
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Group 1 sep.gifsep.giforden_regular.png 8 orden_irregular.png0 orden_impetuosa.png0
logo_10.png FATHER-KNIGHT Lieutenant Combi Rifle / Breaker Pistol, DA CCW. (44)
logo_10.png FATHER-KNIGHT Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Breaker Pistol, DA CCW. (0.5 | 50)
logo_10.png FATHER-KNIGHT Boarding Shotgun / Breaker Pistol, DA CCW. (43)
logo_1.png FUSILIER Missile Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 15)
logo_1.png FUSILIER (Forward Observer, Deployable Repeater) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (12)
logo_2.png SPEC. SERGEANT (Multispectral Visor L2) Spitfire / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 24)
logo_2.png SPEC. SERGEANT (Multispectral Visor L2) Spitfire / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 24)
logo_2.png SPEC. SERGEANT Combi Rifle + AUXBOT_1 / Pistol, Knife. (17)
sep.giflogo_2_2.png AUXBOT_1 Heavy Flamethrower / Electric Pulse. (4)

Group 2 sep.gifsep.giforden_regular.png4 orden_irregular.png0 orden_impetuosa.png0
logo_13.png SIERRA DRONBOT HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 25)
logo_17.png PEACEMAKER Heavy Shotgun + AUXBOT_1 / Electric Pulse. (23)
sep.giflogo_17_2.png AUXBOT_1 Heavy Flamethrower / Electric Pulse. (4)
logo_21.png MACHINIST Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (15)
logo_15.png FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (8)

6 SWC | 300 Points

Open with Army 5
 

 

I could be talking out of my ass, but this list gets me excited about 300 point games.

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