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I wonder if the other gods will get their own Dexs' too. The rules seem legit. 

Unless specifically stated otherwise, yes.

Called it. lol

Highlander

I apologize. I agree with you. lol

Problem is that doesn't include Gargantuan Creatures...

Well you could just say both. I don't know of anyone who can take Gargantuan Creatures though, in a normal game.

I just think it'd be simpler if people just set the limitation base on the Unit Type (Super-heavy).

Imperial Knights have never been LoW that I am aware of (except for the Forgeworld ones that specifically got that slot).

I know, I'm only trying to bring this back to the original disscussion. Limiting LoW doesn't limit all Super-heavies.

Sure, if that's how you want to read it. I'll agree to disagree. Imperial Knights are still not LoW, which means the orginal point still stands. Limiting LoW is a poor limitation.

Models in formations and unit list entries still have battlefield roles.

Yes, though Imperial Knights have an 'Other' Battlefield Role, which means they are not LoW, while the Decursion Detachment specifically says it doesn't use Battlefield Roles.

Formations- "Unless stated otherwise, each individual unit maintains its normal Battlefield Role when taken as part of a Formation."

The Decursion Detachment states otherwise.

Nah, that's not what that actually means. It means that the requirements for the Detachment are listed by specific Unit rather than by Battlefield Role, not that those specific Units lose their Battlefield Role. For instance, a Transcendent C'Tan chosen as a Star-God choice in a Decurion is still a Heavy Support Unit, and would, for example, give up an extra VP in Big Guns Never Tire. But that slot doesn't have to be filled by a HS Unit, it could be an Elite or LoW if you went for one of the other Shards or a Tesseract Vault, for instance.

 

It's just reflecting that that Detachment is chosen in different ways, rather than any given Slot being open to any given Unit with a certain Battlefield Role.

It means what it says it means. It literally says that the Decursion Detachment has a combination of specific Formations and Army List Entries instead of Battlefield Roles. Are you going to wish away what Battlefield Roles says about Imperial Knights too? You're being silly.

I think LoW are LoW no matter what. Does a heavy support count for the maelstrom objectives if it's in a detachment? If the answer is yes then yes a LoW is a LoW

Battlefield Roles are defined. So no. I mean, you can call them by their Unit Type and just say only one Super-heavy, that is in your codex, is allowed for your league or tournament or just ban Super-heavies all together. Though, I believe, naming Battlefield Roles is a poor limitation cause it's not covering what you mean to cover.

My bad, technically what I said isn't true. It's a little too broad.

Formations- "Unless stated otherwise, each individual unit maintains its normal Battlefield Role when taken as part of a Formation."

So units within formations normally keep their Battlefield Role.

Battlefield Role- "Some publications introduce other types of Battlefield Roles, such as Imperial Knights, and will include all the rules you need to include them as part of your army."

So Imperial Knights have their own Battlefield Role, which is not LoW.

Forces of the Necrons- "Unlike the Detachment shown in Warhammer 40,000: The Rules, it has a Force Organization Chart whose slots are a combination of specific Formations and Army List Entries instead of Battlefield Roles."

So Necron unit using the Decursion Detachment don't have Battlefield Roles, though I suppose you could consider Core, Command and Auxiliary the Battlefield Roles. Core, Command and Auxiliary are referred to as complusory and optional elements.

LOW is a Battlefield Role, however if I use a Detachment that doesn't have a FOC or use Battlefield Roles, then the units don't have them. This includes Super-heavy Vehicles and Gargantuan Creatures. The escalation rules related to Super-heavy Vehicles and Gargantuan Creatures, and other rules like them, should have referenced Super-heavy Vehicles and Gargantuan Creatures, not LoW. 

I have a dumb question, where is this event held? I don't see location info in the post. 

Okay, thank you for the clarification.

Some tournaments, and some players in general, basically have a rule in their tournament FAQ or a house rule that any wargear or special rule that causes Wound or Penetrating hit, without rolling To Hit, can't affect Flyers or FMCs. There's no bases for this when talking about RAW or RAI, though I believe it's for balance and/or realism. For example, Imotekh's Lord of the Storm special rule wouldn't affect Flyers or FMCs.

Will the Necron C'Tan Shard of the Nightbringer's Gaze of Death be played RAW, or are there any rulings on it for the tournament?

Harlequins want to be your warlord and assassins can't though. For the others I don't know that it does anything to add that requirement.

I'm not sure what you're getting at. lol

So on the actual topic I do feel like inquisition needs to be allowed three but we don't want to allow everybody three... What if your Warlord is an inquisitor inquisition does not count against your source limit?

This is also interesting. I feel like could be the case for Harlequins, Inquisition, Militarum Tempestus and Officio Assassinorum. 

I like 4, no duplicates.

That's an interesting Idea. No more than one of any one detachment could be fun. :)

Since it was suggested I bump this out into its own thread:

 

I've been kind of thinking about this since the Necron Codex was released, and Annihilation Barges and Night Scythes got nerfed. At this point, what's really left that's broken when spammable, and primarily limited by FOC slots rather than Points cost? What of that is more problematic than the stuff you can take in an ITC-style 2-Detachment list as it stands, like 5 Flyrants or 5 Riptides?

 

Is there a solid reason for this restriction to be a standard anymore?

So to bring it on home, my answer is we should keep it to, two to three detachments. 

Right, I get that. Some of their new things are cool and powerful; not all of them are. I provided two counterpoints. What is more likely than 'new stuff is more powerful to sell more new stuff' is 'new rules for new models are created by some sort of arcane process divorced from reality and may randomly be more powerful or less powerful based on the phase of the moon at the time they were written'.

Yeah, I see what you're saying. I do like the changes though, overall.

In before the lock.

 

Why is thus pissing match still going on?

It's not a pissing match. We are just talking about GW. We are off topic though. 

Recently? How about those awesome new tyranids that were lackluster? One was pretty good, one was not so good and one was meh. Or the new BA tactical squad. Tactical... squad... for BA. Beautiful, but really? I don't think business decisions and rules have anything to do with each other.

I'm specifically talking about things like Imperial Knights, Harlequins, Crons, Supplements, formations, ect. :)