Talonwinter Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 Warring this is A Castle of Text. I have a couple of ways to field the New Wolves. I just can't seam to pick one so I am asking for some thoughts on 3 list I am thinking of running. Comments on these are wanted. Preface I don't normally play Imperial armies. I am a Tyranid player. With that in mind my ideas may not be good in a competitive field. Please let me know. I was thinking about the Great Wolf Detachment instead of CAD. For a pure offense list it maybe the better choice.. This list tries to use the double movement idea. With 3 fast units. +++ (1844pts) +++ ++ Space Wolves: Codex (2014) (Formation Detachment) ++ + Formation + Wulfen Murderpack ··Wulfen ····Wulfen [Thunder Hammer/Storm Shield] ····Wulfen [Thunder Hammer/Storm Shield] ····Wulfen [Thunder Hammer/Storm Shield] ····Wulfen [Great Frost Axe, Stormfrag Auto-Launcher] ····Wulfen [Great Frost Axe, Stormfrag Auto-Launcher] ··Wulfen ····Wulfen [Thunder Hammer/Storm Shield] ····Wulfen [Great Frost Axe, Stormfrag Auto-Launcher] ····Wulfen [Close Combat Weapon] ····Wulfen [Close Combat Weapon] ····Wulfen [Close Combat Weapon] ··Wulfen ····Wulfen [Thunder Hammer/Storm Shield] ····Wulfen [Great Frost Axe, Stormfrag Auto-Launcher] ····Wulfen [Close Combat Weapon] ····Wulfen [Close Combat Weapon] ····Wulfen [Close Combat Weapon] ++ Space Wolves: Codex (2014) (Combined Arms Detachment) ++ + HQ + Iron Priest [Helfrost pistol, Tempest Hammer, Thunderwolf] + Troops + Blood Claws [Rhino] ··7x Blood Claw [7x Bolt Pistol, 7x Chainsword] Blood Claws ··5x Blood Claw [5x Bolt Pistol, 5x Chainsword] ··Drop Pod [storm Bolter] + Fast Attack + Thunderwolf Cavalry ··Thunderwolf Cavalry [Power Fist, Storm Shield] ··Thunderwolf Cavalry [Chainsword, Storm Shield] ··Thunderwolf Cavalry [Chainsword, Storm Shield] ··Thunderwolf Cavalry Pack Leader [Chainsword, Storm Shield] Thunderwolf Cavalry ··Thunderwolf Cavalry [Power Fist, Storm Shield] ··Thunderwolf Cavalry [Chainsword, Storm Shield] ··Thunderwolf Cavalry [Chainsword, Storm Shield] ··Thunderwolf Cavalry [Chainsword, Storm Shield] ··Thunderwolf Cavalry [Power Fist, Storm Shield] ··Thunderwolf Cavalry Pack Leader [storm Shield, Wolf Claw] Thunderwolf Cavalry ··Thunderwolf Cavalry [Chainsword, Storm Shield] ··Thunderwolf Cavalry [Chainsword, Storm Shield] ··Thunderwolf Cavalry [Power Fist, Storm Shield] ··Thunderwolf Cavalry Pack Leader [Chainsword, Storm Shield] List 2 tries to work on the speed idea as well. It uses a death Pack formation to get the best range for it's buck. With run and charge I feel it gets the best use of the double movement and the +3 inches of movement. With a 66% chance of getting some type of extra movement. +++ New Roster (1847pts) +++ ++ Space Wolves: Codex (2014) (Combined Arms Detachment) ++ + HQ + Wolf Guard Battle Leader [2x Fenrisian Wolf, Thunderwolf] ··Runic Armour [storm Shield, Thunder Hammer] + Troops + Blood Claws ··5x Blood Claw [5x Bolt Pistol, 5x Chainsword] Blood Claws [Rhino] ··5x Blood Claw [5x Bolt Pistol, 5x Chainsword] + Fast Attack + Drop Pod [storm Bolter] Thunderwolf Cavalry ··Thunderwolf Cavalry [Power Fist, Storm Shield] ··Thunderwolf Cavalry [Chainsword, Storm Shield] ··Thunderwolf Cavalry Pack Leader [Chainsword, Storm Shield] ++ Space Wolves: Codex (2014) (Formation Detachment) ++ + Formation + "Deathpack" ··Grey Hunters ····5x Grey Hunter [5x Bolt Pistol, 5x Bolter] ··Thunderwolf Cavalry ····Thunderwolf Cavalry [Power Fist, Storm Shield] ····Thunderwolf Cavalry [Chainsword, Storm Shield] ····Thunderwolf Cavalry [Chainsword, Storm Shield] ····Thunderwolf Cavalry [Chainsword, Storm Shield] ····Thunderwolf Cavalry [Power Fist, Storm Shield] ····Thunderwolf Cavalry Pack Leader [storm Shield, Wolf Claw] ··Wolf Lord [2x Fenrisian Wolf, Thunderwolf] ····Runic Armour [Power Fist, Storm Shield] Wulfen Murderpack ··Wulfen ····Wulfen [Thunder Hammer/Storm Shield] ····Wulfen [Great Frost Axe, Stormfrag Auto-Launcher] ····Wulfen [Close Combat Weapon] ····Wulfen [Close Combat Weapon] ····Wulfen [Close Combat Weapon] ··Wulfen ····Wulfen [Thunder Hammer/Storm Shield] ····Wulfen [Thunder Hammer/Storm Shield] ····Wulfen [Thunder Hammer/Storm Shield] ····Wulfen [Great Frost Axe, Stormfrag Auto-Launcher] ····Wulfen [Close Combat Weapon] ··Wulfen ····Wulfen [Thunder Hammer/Storm Shield] ····Wulfen [Great Frost Axe, Stormfrag Auto-Launcher] ····Wulfen [Close Combat Weapon] ····Wulfen [Close Combat Weapon] ····Wulfen [Close Combat Weapon] I The last list goes for a more balanced approach with luck sometimes playing a role. If it happens, great if not will it wasn't needed. The drop pod is to get that one maelstrom point of being in the other guys deployment. It can take the lone wolf or the wolfin depending on the mission. With both types of priest I get a fearless turn two attacking unit with a chance at powers that can help the advance unit. Been leaning toward Biomancey as a take all comer's power that helps this army type. thoughts on powers as I am not using to BRB powers. +++ New Roster (1850pts) +++ ++ Space Wolves: Codex (2014) (Formation Detachment) ++ + Formation + "Deathpack" ··Grey Hunters ····5x Grey Hunter [5x Bolt Pistol, 5x Bolter] ··Thunderwolf Cavalry ····Thunderwolf Cavalry [Power Fist, Storm Shield] ····Thunderwolf Cavalry [Chainsword, Storm Shield] ····Thunderwolf Cavalry [Chainsword, Storm Shield] ····Thunderwolf Cavalry [Power Fist, Storm Shield] ····Thunderwolf Cavalry Pack Leader [storm Shield, Wolf Claw] ··Wolf Lord [Thunderwolf] ····Runic Armour [Power Fist, Storm Shield] ++ Imperial Knights: Codex (2015) (IK Oathsworn Detachment) ++ + Lord of War + Knight Warden [Heavy Stubber, Reaper Chainsword, Stormspear Rocket Pod] ++ Space Wolves: Codex (2014) (SW Company of the Great Wolf Detachment) ++ + HQ + Rune Priest [bike, Psyker Mastery Level 2, Rune Axe] ··Power Armour [bolt Pistol] Wolf Priest [bike] ··Power Armour [bolt Pistol] + Elites + Lone Wolf [Melta Bombs] ··Power Armour [bolt Pistol, Chainsword] Wulfen ··Wulfen [Thunder Hammer/Storm Shield] ··Wulfen [Thunder Hammer/Storm Shield] ··Wulfen [Thunder Hammer/Storm Shield] ··Wulfen [Close Combat Weapon] ··Wulfen [Close Combat Weapon] + Fast Attack + Drop Pod [storm Bolter] Thunderwolf Cavalry ··Thunderwolf Cavalry [Chainsword, Storm Shield] ··Thunderwolf Cavalry [Power Fist, Storm Shield] ··Thunderwolf Cavalry [Chainsword, Storm Shield] ··Thunderwolf Cavalry [Chainsword, Storm Shield] ··Thunderwolf Cavalry Pack Leader [Chainsword, Storm Shield] Thanks guys for you help on this. One question if I join IC to the Death-pack thunderwolves. Can they still run and charge? The lord of the formation gives the unit the means to run and charge every turn. the unit doesn't the rule to do so natively. Just checking, as I don't want to cheat someone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhailLenin Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 I vote Murderpack and Deathpack cause Artistic License. https://www.frontlinegaming.org/2016/02/26/dance-with-wolfvestar-starring-tfo-a-saga-of-beast-and-half-beast/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluger Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 I like the first list best. But, they all look interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 I'm a fan of mp and dp as well. There's some efficiencies you can gain by swapping gear a bit but overall nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talonwinter Posted March 23, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2016 I vote Murderpack and Deathpack cause Artistic License. https://www.frontlinegaming.org/2016/02/26/dance-with-wolfvestar-starring-tfo-a-saga-of-beast-and-half-beast/ I had not seen that post. Interestingly what would you do if you just stayed with SW? How is the DP andMp coming to 1400 ish points? I'm a fan of mp and dp as well. There's some efficiencies you can gain by swapping gear a bit but overall nice. What efficiencies are you talking about or are sugesting? Was wondering just how survivable the wolfin are with h\s if all 5guys had them. The load out on the wolfin i am working on. Thought on this?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talonwinter Posted March 23, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2016 Here is a thought. How about two deathpack with the MP? Would that, could that even work? Could it score? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluger Posted March 23, 2016 Report Share Posted March 23, 2016 Will it blend? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted March 23, 2016 Report Share Posted March 23, 2016 What efficiencies are you talking about or are sugesting? I'd drop the runic on the WGBL and take a PF instead of a TH. You have plenty of TH. On all your TWC, I'd take BP instead of chainsword. Same effect, but you have a shot if you need it. Get some specials for your BC and GH, maybe a drop pod for the 5 GH in the deathpack. Stuff like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talonwinter Posted March 26, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2016 I have reworked the list. Below. +++ Wolf Pounce (1850pts) +++ ++ Space Wolves: Codex (2014) (SW Company of the Great Wolf Detachment) ++ + HQ + Rune Priest [bike, Psyker Mastery Level 2, Rune Axe] ··Power Armour [bolt Pistol] Rune Priest [bike, Psychic Hood, Psyker Mastery Level 2, Rune Sword] ··Power Armour [bolt Pistol] + Elites + Servitors [servitor] Servitors [servitor] + Fast Attack + Drop Pod [storm Bolter] Thunderwolf Cavalry ··Thunderwolf Cavalry [Power Fist, Storm Shield] ··Thunderwolf Cavalry [Chainsword, Storm Shield] ··Thunderwolf Cavalry [Chainsword, Storm Shield] ··Thunderwolf Cavalry Pack Leader [storm Shield, Wolf Claw] ++ Space Wolves: Codex (2014) (Formation Detachment) ++ + Formation + "Deathpack" ··Grey Hunters ····5x Grey Hunter [5x Bolt Pistol, 5x Bolter] ··Thunderwolf Cavalry ····Thunderwolf Cavalry [Power Fist, Storm Shield] ····Thunderwolf Cavalry [Chainsword, Storm Shield] ····Thunderwolf Cavalry [Power Fist, Storm Shield] ····Thunderwolf Cavalry [Chainsword, Storm Shield] ····Thunderwolf Cavalry [Chainsword, Storm Shield] ····Thunderwolf Cavalry Pack Leader [storm Shield, Wolf Claw] ··Wolf Lord [Thunderwolf, Warlord] ····Armour of Russ [Pair of Wolf Claws] Wulfen Murderpack ··Wulfen ····Wulfen [Thunder Hammer/Storm Shield] ····Wulfen [Thunder Hammer/Storm Shield] ····Wulfen [stormfrag Auto-Launcher, Thunder Hammer/Storm Shield] ····Wulfen [Dual Frost Claws, Stormfrag Auto-Launcher] ····Wulfen [Dual Frost Claws, Stormfrag Auto-Launcher] ··Wulfen ····Wulfen [Thunder Hammer/Storm Shield] ····Wulfen [Thunder Hammer/Storm Shield] ····Wulfen [Great Frost Axe, Stormfrag Auto-Launcher] ····Wulfen [Close Combat Weapon] ····Wulfen [Close Combat Weapon] ··Wulfen ····Wulfen [Thunder Hammer/Storm Shield] ····Wulfen [Great Frost Axe, Stormfrag Auto-Launcher] ····Wulfen [Close Combat Weapon] ····Wulfen [Close Combat Weapon] ····Wulfen [Close Combat Weapon] I have put a challenge lord in this list and to caster to give me options for a force multiplier. With santic or Biomance I should get the offensive or defensive buffs needto make the units hit hard or faster. With the unit being in the the great wolf formation I will have some thunderwolves are ws 5 which will make that unit a lot more deadly. I do worry that I have to many point in to the wolfen. What you think?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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