evil_bryan

22 minutes ago, scottshoemaker said:

Welcome to another distraction.

You know, its really the best hobby for me. Small bursts of activity followed by long periods of inactivity.

It is the first time I have ever been able to make hobby progress AND get some sleep at the same time...it's perfect. 🙂 

I decided to pull the trigger on buying a 3D printer about 4 weeks ago, a Prusa i3 Mk3 kit.

It arrived two weeks later and after a slow and methodical assembly, I got it up and running.

After two weeks of constant printing, I now have a pile of terrain.

I have a long way to go in getting a whole 6x4 table, but that is my goal (for now.) 🙂 

nooooooo!

21 hours ago, Burk said:

Hey All,

As many of you know, our own king of Bacon, @evil_bryan hates bloodbowl. However, he recently offhand mentioned that he likes the Greebo P-Orcs team.  He actually said he would play that team.  Well, I plan to make him suffer through a blood bowl league. 

 

League?!?

I really enjoyed this game...until I got my big sub.

After I started to brave further out into the deep, I frequently experienced what the leviathans would probably referred to as "prison sex."🙂

The date for the 2019 OFCC will be August 16th  - 18th

We are returning to the Hilton Vancouver for another year!

Expect additional event details in future posts.

1 hour ago, TheBeninator said:

Sounds like we need to have a papercraft terrain party. 

Perhaps we could also talk @evil_bryan into showing us how to use his foam slicing stuff so we can make our own hills/cliffs/impassable on the super cheap.

Your point about the time variable is well put though, making terrain takes a long time until we find some good hax.

Friends don't let friends buy 2D terrain, even if that is what the fancy pants Europeans all use.

Or we could have an actual terrain party 🙂

I have the tools at the club and would be happy to assist in a terrain building session. 

The first question I have is what type of terrain you are looking for. I probably have an idea and/or technique to build just about anything you are looking for. 🙂  

Well, it seems the conversation has taken a turn and diverted from the original topic.

If anyone has OFCC specific questions, feel free to strike up a new post or send me a PM.

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21 minutes ago, Lord Hanaur said:

I agree completely with the difficulties that were laid out in the original post by evil_bryan.  Not one point of disagreement

I acknowledge that its difficult, but I think that you can go to any tournament and get the same spread of "okay that wasn't so bad" and the "Good lord, does that man have no SOUL" type lists that you get at OFCC when there is no rating.

I valued the hard work people did on ratings.  We mostly shot for lower rated armies anyways and always had themes that were necessarily restrictive but, well, themed.  We did Rolling thunder where all things had to be on servos or in a transport.  We did hordes with no less than 120 models.  We did all Tau with Stealthsuits and Everyone had to feature Stingwings. And so on.  We knew it was hard work to grade these, but we were appreciative that they did.

We didn't really consider going this year. or last year.  It wasn't a protest or anything dramatic like that.  It's just that the event sort of (by which I mean 100% exactly) turned into a painting contest the last year we went; and now list rating which was what made it special, is gone (and had in fact kind of been gone for all practical purposes before that because of the crazy stuff people wanted to allow).

I for one definitely miss the spirit of the event.  The people have almost always been fun.  But that would have happened without OFCC.  What OFCC brought was a different set of rules that made the games more fun intrinsically, instead of simply relying on a great guy to continue to be a great guy which he was probably going to be anyways.

I tell people about OFCC all the time, but now I just tell them "don't go if you aren't a world class painter.  The cost is pretty high and it's pretty much the lists you always see at any lower priced event."  Saying that makes me super sad.

It is too bad you have missed that last couple of years as I have personally run the 40K event, and I think we have addressed several of the issues you mentioned here.

Let me tackle the big one, the painting score 🙂

Last year, I overhauled the way paint is measured. I wanted to make good scores achievable and make it easy to evaluate on a large scale. I also wanted to make the scores as objective as possible so that two people could come to the same conclusion on scoring.

In addition, I changed the weight of paint score in the calculation for Best Overall.

• Best Overall = 40% Sports, 25% Painting, 30% Spirit, and 5% Captain Achievements

Pasted below for your reading pleasure is my paint scoring rubric.

Scoring Criteria

Basing
Textured/painted/flocked/resin/etc.

Painting
Represents the three-color minimum

Depth
Extra care for shading and highlighting

Detail
Modeling, conversions, putty work, etc...

WOW Factor
A great representation of an army/faction/team

Basing
0 - Bare plastic or resin, void of paint or basing material
1 - Paint or basing material applied
2 - Multiple colors, a variety of material, the bases demonstrate a level of care and effort

Painting
0 - Bare plastic, only primer, less than 3 colors
1 - 3 or more colors, generally referred to as tabletop standard
2 - A variety of colors, shades, and tones setting the model apart from the standard

Depth
0 - No effort made to illustrate the depth of the model's details
1 - Drybrushing, washing, edge highlighting to varying degrees
2 - Blending, smooth transitions, skillful application of the techniques listed at level 1

Detail
0 - Model is built as designed with no variation
1 - Some conversion work, purposeful construction to demonstrate variety, scratch building, minor sculpting
2 - Heavy conversion, extensive scratch building and/or sculpting, clearly a unique representation of the army

WOW Factor
0 - A tabletop presentation that does not go far enough to stand out from the crowd
1 - Unified and cohesive, can definitely stand out as an excellent example of the force represented
2 - A true showcase, representing the highest level of skill and technique of our hobby

Okay, now that I have an appropriate click bait title for what can be an emotionally charged issue I can get started. 🙂

@merkthejerk I am so sorry you had such a poor experience during the weekend. Although we cannot guarantee that everyone has a great time, we certainly want to make every effort to make that possible. Please know that if you or anyone is not having the expected OFCC experience, you or your captain can track me (or anyone other organizer down) so we can address it as its happening. 🙂 

@Kolby Hopkins You are correct that match-ups were not performance based. All match-ups were built prior to the event using the following methodology

• First, arrange all challenge matches
• Then avoid matching up team from the same club/region
• Finally, ensure no one plays the same team twice

Since OFCC is an event rather than a tournament, we focus on doing our best to provide variety in match ups. I hope that clarifies the process when I run the event. 🙂 

I took 265 pictures over 3 days! 🙂

Let me know if these links work:

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42 minutes ago, VonVilkee said:

I blame munkie! Did you pay, oh yeah... then turns in list a day late! To his credit he owned these facts... perhaps I'll push harder for old school lists next year...

 

@evil_bryan, will grognard lists be a thing again next year? (I refuse to call them old school as my actually old school list didn't qualify but something with a shiny new unit did...)

That is a good question....if I am running the 40K team event then probably. 🙂

A common question I receive Post-OFCC is "How can my team improve next year?" and I think the easiest way is to work on the pre-event scoring opportunities.

Here is a list of all the points earned prior to event weekend:

Special recognition must be paid to Get of my LAN for getting max points...good work guys!!! Ordo East got close, but those pesky New School lists did them in. 🙂 

For those of you who are curious on how Sportsmanship was calculated, here it is:

Each player could earn up to 3 points per match, with 20 games played across the team that gives a maximum score of 60 points.

Each team was awarded 2 bonus points for each Favorite Opponent pin earned.

Finally, each pre-game Sportsmanship achievement (Old School and No Surprises) each also provided 2 bonus points

The good news is IF the point value of the FO pins was 1 point versus 2, the Warhamsters would still be the winner 🙂

Thanks to everyone who came out and played this weekend. I know lots of people love to see the scores from weekend, so let's waste no time. 🙂

Although we do not award a Best General, I do track performance as well. 🙂

The first event starts at 1PM, and the hall should be open by 11AM at the latest...at least that when I will be arriving. 🙂

38 minutes ago, Brother Glacius said:

so no command points or strategems used...just battleforged abilities and warlord traits?

Command points and stratagems are used as they are a normal part of 8th edition 🙂 

For those you who want a peek at the Quick Start guide and the Achievements then check out this file 🙂

3 hours ago, Brother Glacius said:

I've only got a half dozen games under my belt, and most of those are casual games just using power levels. I assume CPs are being used? What all along with the army do I need rules wise? Do I need a set of command cards?

It is 2000 points, no need for command cards, and the Players Guide can be found at: 

Thanks for the great feedback and questions, please see answers inline below:

13 minutes ago, Frowbakk said:

Sneaky Git Mission specific questions of sneaky-gitted-sneaky-ness of git-dom:

Can an Objective (a Grot, Control Unit, or Energy Nexus in Missions 1, 3, and 5, respectively) be claimed PRIOR to turn 1 by way of before-the-first-turn Vanguard moves, Scout moves, Infiltrator deployment, redeployment via special ability, Genestealer Cult  ability, or other shenanigans? (Shenanigans like Act-of-Faith moves, etc, which happen at the START of turn are allowed, I assume?)

Yes, except for the special rules these objectives work like normal 40K objectives and can be controlled during initial deployment or pre-game movement.

In Mission 1: Grot Hunt, can you choose to abandon a Captured Grot (thereby making it a Free Grot) by moving the unit with control over the Captured Grot more than 3" away from the spot where the Grot was captured? Can the capturing unit turn over control of the Captured Grot to another unit? If a unit cannot voluntarily move away from the Captured Grot, what happens if the controlling unit is moved away from the Captured Grot involuntarily, such as by having to Fall Back or Retreat more than 3" away, an opponents psychic puppet ability, etc?

Yes, other than the rules for Sneaking and Fleeing the Grot tokens operate like normal 40K objectives.

In Mission 2: Land Claim, the correct reading of the Bonus Scoring  section is the most of YOUR OWN tokens YOU placed (and if removed, placed once again) when compared to the number of your OPPONENTs tokens placed (and placed again) during the game, correct?  Also, the correct reading is the most of your OPPONENTS tokens YOU destroyed during the game vs. the number of YOUR OWN tokens THEY destroyed, right?

Correct, since you can only ever place your own tokens and destroy your opponents tokens the aggregate total of each action determines the award of the bonus points.

In Mission 3: Control Unit, IF (and only if) the Control Unit is able to be claimed PRIOR to turn 1 (if 1st question was answered 'no', then ignore this question. Otherwise...), could a unit with the ability to move before the game begins (such as vehicle with Vanguard which allows unit to move as-if it were the Movement Phase) move into contact with the Control Unit, move the Control Unit from the front of its model/base to the end closest to its' deployment zone and use any further move allowance/Advancing as-if it were the Movement Phase to move it up to the 9" allowed, and the drop it prior to the 1st turn movement phase? Could that unit, or another unit then move the Control unit up to the 9" allowed in the 1st turn Movement Phase in order to have effectively moved the Control Unit up to 18" away from the center of the board by the end of the 1st Turn Movement Phase?

To avoid such shenanigans, I have added "The Control Unit cannot be picked up prior to Turn 1" 🙂

In Mission 4: Quest for Glory, If you have tabled your opponent do you get the 'Gave up no Glory in back to back turns'  Bonus point, or do you need to keep one of your opponents models or units alive for however many turns it takes until the conditions are specifically met?

If you table your opponent the game would be over, so I suppose if you wanted to claim that bonus then you would need to keep them alive (although playing with your food like that could have an impact on your Sportsmanship score) 🙂

In Mission 5: Energy Siphon, How does a unit/model take control of an Energy Nexus, (since the Mission does not specify) by coming into contact, by being within 3", or by some other method? Can you please verify that once an Energy Nexus is Increased, it STAYS Increased for the rest of the game (scoring 2 points if Siphoned at the end of a player turn thereafter, unless it is Destroyed), and doesn't become un-Increased when points are scored from it?

An Energy Syphon is just a objective with special rules, so the standard 3" control applies. Once a nexus is upgraded it stays that way until destroyed. To clarify, I have changed the language slightly to "Syphoning an Increased Energy Nexus awards 2 points instead of 1 every turn"

4 hours ago, Munkie said:

To clarify on the Grot Hunt, do they not move at all if captured (unless a 1 is rolled)?

 

Correct...I have clarified the Mission to read:

Rules for Grots:

·       Any Grot within 3" of a unit is considered Captured, any Grot not captured is considered Free

·       Sneaking - At the beginning of every movement phase, your opponent can move every Free Grot d6" in any direction

·       Fleeing - At the end of each players turn, that player rolls a d6 for each Captured Grot they control. On a 1, your opponent can move the Grot 2d6 in any direction.

·       Unless Sneaking or Fleeing, Grots do not move and cannot be moved by the capturing player

1 hour ago, WestRider said:

These look like fun, especially that first one! One possible typo on Mission 3: Control Unit - When the Control Unit pulses, it causes "S7 AP4 Hits". Should that be "S7 AP-4"?

Oops...clearly my 7th edition is showing. 🙂

That will be changed to S7 AP -1

Now, we have all the missions available for review at:

Tragedy happens...as does drunkenness, so it always safe to have a few people around that can play if needed. 🙂

This is an open call for folks who are OFCC curious and would like a chance to play a game or two.

A few things about being a ringer:

• There is no cost to being a ringer
  • One game or five, you are doing us a favor by playing
• You may not play
  • We will have extra tables setup if ringers want to play pickup games
• You can come Saturday, Sunday, or for the whole weekend
• You need to have a fully painted 40K army
• It is all about having fun!

If this sounds interesting, let us know!