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To get there on my own I had to leave before that. Was already on my way by the time I checked this again.

So yeah, since this is pretty last minute for me I'm just now looking to avoid a $35 lyft bill to get there in the morning. Anyone willing to give me a ride? I am in the Tigard/Beaverton area, but can use Lyft to meet someone somewhere to be less out of your way. Anyone coming from the general Southwestern part of Portland willing to pick up a ringer? Obv I will chip in for gas or buy you a drink or 2 or something. Not looking for a free ride, just not a $35 one. haha

Okay, I'll show up then. Worse comes to worse I'll just go home.

Okay, so just Sunday right? Just want to make sure one last time.

I can do both but would prefer to never play 7th again. haha

sure

I can come out and hang around. If you need someone great, if not I can go home.

5 minutes ago, Chexmix said:

That's exciting, because I have 3 of the old metal ones!

He just wants hugs!

20 Genestealers coming out of a Trygon hole and with a decent advance roll charging first turn.

On 5/19/2017 at 9:46 PM, Lord Hanaur said:

I asked you if you have an army with 120 T8 wounds with 3+ saves and a 5+ invul.  I didnt ask you how hard it was to kill.  Most will be able to safely say no.  Most.

Wait, so when someone points out that t8 doesn't mean really even half as much as it did before you decide to focus just on that one fact rather than the context of everything you were saying before that? WTF does it matter if an army has 1000 t8 wounds if every weapon in the game can damage it now and quite literally every heavy weapon in the game wounds t8 on no less than a 5+ with the *vast* majority of them wounding on much lower rolls than that and ALL of them degrading the armor save of the knight. 120 wounds when just about every weapon you're going to direct at a knight is going to be doing multiple wounds in a shot, the majority of which will lower the Knights save to a 5+ just doesn't amount to the huge deal that you are making it out to be. You knew that was what I was saying but since that ran counterpoint to your little hissy fit you decided to focus on one line out of the multiple paragraphs of garbage you were spewing out about 120 t8 wounds with a 3+ save being op. Ell oh ell

6 hours ago, Lord Hanaur said:

the statements were appropriately qualified in present and past tense.  and 120 T8 wounds?  Does any army you have now approach that?  Just asking...

Dude! T8 in the current rules cannot be harmed by str4 and str6 needs a 6+ to wound. In 8th Str5 only needs a 5+ to wound, and all of the str5+ weapons I've seen have some sort of AP on them. Hell a effing Heavy Bolter has 3 shots, only needs a 5 to wound and will take the save down to 4+. Comparing ANYTHING like this to the current rules is silly.

7 hours ago, DisruptiveConduct said:

Ahhh, okay. I forgot the shrouded plus stealth turn one part.

Maybe i need to read the codex again but how are you deploying in the enemy's zone on turn one? Dont you have to be in reserves first?

It also very likely has FnP from the icon.

Threatening not coming because of point levels may beg the question why are you coming in the first place...

 

I think we all want amazing FUN games. When did point levels dictate your level of fun?

When you say something like this and there's only been one person to say anything about not wanting to make the trip for smaller point games...

You assume I'm calling you out Chappy. Yet 2 minutes before you Lord Hanaur thought I was speaking to him.

Don't be so quick to assume I'm insinuating anything. I asked a clear and concise question while not accusing anyone of anything.

I'm sorry you felt the shoe fit.

You don't get to act like this when the guy you were *obviously* talking about responds.

LH didn't think you were talking to him. He was piling on about someone having a strong opinion about point levels.

Distract it until the WK notices it.

Isn't that a Revenant back there? I mean, point still stands, but still. :D

If you're going to blob up the platoons, having MBs on all the sargents when you can only have 1 guy in the unit use them in a given phase seems kinda silly to buy it for them all.

Just checked the draft, don't see it. I don't see it in ITC either.

Q: Can units that are created from a Formation rule (e.g. Skyblight Swarm’s Skyswarm) Deep Strike? A: No, only specifically stated otherwise.

So many Battle Company lists.

If I bring a Riptide wing I don't want to hear any bitching. /wink

Okay, finally got to see the PDF. 495pts. 4++ against shooting to one facing. Stand by my earlier post, I'd rather have a baneblade (or variant). BS 5 is kinda iffy, since the main weapons are TL blasts anyway.

 

4 TL shots S10 ap2 Large blast.

 

2 autocannons or lascannons.

 

Plus choice of 2 shots S8 ap2 skyfire+interceptor OR one shot massive blast at S6 ap4 (which is oddly non-barrage).

 

Points are about right, I think. It has several weak points: Can't deny cover (a pretty glaring weak point, I think), nothing better than ap2 (does matter against vehicles, especially other super heavies).

 

The Shadowsword (455pts base) parked in 4+ cover would probably give it a run for it's money. And that's really not a great example of a Super heavy (overpriced and lacking). Just basically a long range D weapon on a 9 HP frame with same basic profile. 

Pax, you're delusional. lol

9 or 10" into my DZ is a good long way, don't get me wrong, but not that hard to stay out of. And if he doesn't get a good roll on BOTH of those rolls he's got no chance at all.

And even then, let's be real here. It's a largish squad of Berzerkers and a Chaos Lord or 2, neither of which has a particularly dangerous weapon. If he fails the charge and is sitting in no man's land he's going to lose that entire unit to shooting. And even making a charge, that unit loses to any *real* CC unit.

Like I said before, if it works for you, good on ya. But... Yeah.

So, either your opponent is going first and has a turn to move away from your big unit, or you deploy first and the other guy knows where your big unit is before he deploys. What I'm saying is that, generally, if you manage a first turn charge it's going to either be a speed bump unit, or something that your opponent thinks can beat you, like a real deathstar.

I mean, if it works for you, then great. But it would seem like getting to charge something other than what the other guy wants you to on turn one isn't terribly likely without you seizeing on someone.

Don't really agree with tamwulf, but don't agree here either. I do think you are mostly joking...

 

The casual and competitive players are very similar. They both play 40k , and when playing the game, they adhere to the goal of the game, which is to win (or at least to try to win). And, being a casual or competitive player doesn't mean you can't play in competitive or casual events. There is a lot of cross over. Not all the ITC fans are competitive players, and not all the fans of casual play are actually casual players.

 

My issue is with players that don't care if their enjoyment of the game happens at the expense of the enjoyment of others. This isn't exclusive to competitive players, and isn't too common in Ordo, but it does exist and seems to be more common within competitive events. This sort of player gravitates towards events with prizes and clear winners. So while it's not exclusive to the ITC, I do encounter them much more often in ITC regulated events. They are bad for the hobby.

See, I don't think there are very many players out there that truly don't care about the enjoyment of their opponent. I've been to more tournaments than I can remember and can count on 1 hand the amount of times I've played with someone who was stomping me and not sharing in my bad time. Just because the other guy's army is pounding your to dust doesn't mean he doesn't care about your enjoyment. Now if he's stone faced and not interacting with you, or even worse, rubbing it in then you have a reason to complain. But again, that simply isn't an issue in the VAST majority of the time.

In fact, I've run in to more bad attitudes from "casual" players than from tournament players. No one made you bring your *insert weak list here* army. You knew you weren't going to be able to hang and you brought it anyway. You had a bad time? The reason you had a bad time is in the damn mirror.

 

 

Competitive 40K players don't want a fair system, they want a system they can exploit to win. You want the ultimate competitive game? Backgammon, Checkers, Chess, Go. All games where both players have the exact same armies and rules, and it's the players skill, not the army they take, that determines the winner*. A competitive 40K player doesn't like those games because he can't take more Knights than Bishops, or because he takes a couple red markers, he gets a +1 on his dice rolling. In short, the competitive 40K player can't exploit the rules to give him an advantage in the game. It's not GW's rules that force a competitive player to exploit the game to win, it's the self imposed "rules" the players have made on themselves to win that causes these lists. In other words, blame the player, not the game.

 

 

I won't speak for anyone else, but I for one self identify as a competitive player and find this statement incredibly insulting. It is a gross over generalization and comes off as incredibly holier than thou. Get off of your high horse buddy!

He ran the

Ghosar formation

GSC CAD:

Patriarch (lvl 2) Magus (lvl 2, crouchling, 2 familiars)

2x neophytes 10 men (2x mining lasers each)

VSG (3 shields)

 

GSC Incursions:

Brood cycle:

Iconward

3X Acolytes 5 kind of men

2X neophytes 10 men

1X metamorphs 5 only barely men (Claws)

1X purestrain genestealers 5 not men at all

 

Subterranean swarm:

Primus

2X acolytes 5 kind of men (4 flamers)

1X metamorphs 5 only barely men (claws)

Aberrants 4 who knows what those are (hammers)

They have got to the get First Curse in there somehow. That one is going to be a game winner against a lot of armies.

The only thing that BA lack is a Battle Company. The only reason that guy won with DA is because they have a Battle Company. Talking about any kind of SM ina tournament settibg is a binary conversation. Does it have a Battle Company? Done and done.

Free trucks are too much.

 

Maybe shrouded turn one due to smoke?

 

Maybe a bonus to seize?

 

Or how about fast attack becomes objective secured instead of troops?

Truks are garbage. Free garbage is still garbage.