Guest Posted January 15, 2015 Report Share Posted January 15, 2015 Just wondering, if an entry requires a model to swap a weapon they don't come with, but can swap a weapon they come with for, can I swap? In example, says to swap melee weapon for a fancy melee weapon. Model comes with pistol and bolter. Model can swap pistol/bolter for melee weapon. Can I take the fancy melee weapon? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluger Posted January 15, 2015 Report Share Posted January 15, 2015 I having a hard time following this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted January 15, 2015 Report Share Posted January 15, 2015 Example? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 15, 2015 Report Share Posted January 15, 2015 I ask because army builder used to be very anal about multiple weapon swaps. I'm not really sure they were wrong or right, so I'm asking. Example: SM Tactical squad sergeant. Comes stock with bolt pistol and bolter. Listed as being able to swap either or both for a chainsword. To get a power weapon, I need to swap either a melee weapon or a bolt pistol. If I want a power sword and bolt pistol combination, I'd need to swap the Bolter for a chainsword, then swap the chainsword for a power sword. Another example: GK techmarine. Comes with bolter and power axe. I want "the fury of deimos" relic weapon, but it requires swapping a storm bolter. I can swap the bolter for a storm bolter (+3pts), then swap the storm bolter for the weapon I want (+10pts, +13pts total). I could keep adding examples, but I think you get the idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 15, 2015 Report Share Posted January 15, 2015 Maybe still unclear, it was army builder's stance that you could only swap a stock weapon for another weapon the single time. So a SM sergeant couldn't take the BP+Sword because it requires swapping twice (swapping a swapped weapon). Mind you, though the stance was officially one way, they were terribly inconsistent regarding actual implementation. That's why I use battlescribe now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluger Posted January 15, 2015 Report Share Posted January 15, 2015 For the sarge, you could swap the bolt pistol for a power sword and the bolter for a bolt pistol, right? Either way, yes. Unless the GK techmarine is different than basic SM ones, you can't get relics on a techmarine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluger Posted January 15, 2015 Report Share Posted January 15, 2015 Just looked it up, GK techmarine can. I think your solution is correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 15, 2015 Report Share Posted January 15, 2015 For the sarge, you could swap the bolt pistol for a power sword and the bolter for a bolt pistol, right? Either way, yes. Unless the GK techmarine is different than basic SM ones, you can't get relics on a techmarine. Ah, yeah, I suppose you could do it that way... GK techmarine is very different from the SM one. He does have relic access, but doesn't come stock with the storm bolter, hence the question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 15, 2015 Report Share Posted January 15, 2015 Better example for the SM squad sergeant: Two lightning claws. First one is no issue, swapping bolt pistol for claw. Second one requires that multiple swap, as can't trade the bolter directly for the second claw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 15, 2015 Report Share Posted January 15, 2015 Is this really that unclear? I thought it was clear, but army builder had a really firm stance on it for a long while, so I was making sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted January 15, 2015 Report Share Posted January 15, 2015 Army builder has never been a great source of rules knowledge. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 15, 2015 Report Share Posted January 15, 2015 Consensus seems to be that multiple swaps are legal. Thank you all very much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonVilkee Posted January 15, 2015 Report Share Posted January 15, 2015 Consensus seems to be that multiple swaps are legal. Thank you all very much. It was a very good question as stances could go either way and there have been issues with when swapping happens before...old Ork Nobs... I'm right there with if you can get to it don't worry about the number of swaps just make sure you are swapping the right thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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