valourunbound

I feel like I should stop volunteering for things. And I'm sure Evan doesn't want to face me agaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaain. It'd be like the 10th time in a month. Ok, the third time in three weeks. Whatever.

C'mon people, someone play Rudra. He's just like Grimace [not really]! (I had no idea who that was until 4 seconds ago)

That said, I and Brad will be throwing down at Red Castle tonight around 6:30. I'm sure there would be time for plenty of games if anyone wants to drop by.

Wtf is a wargame? I'm larping.

The 9th Age alpha has been released: http://www.the-ninth-age.com/news/index.php?news/7-the-9th-age-version-0-1-alpha/&s=7f3dc9f2932f99d5fd9e5f196221e3bbeccb3223

Math has been done.

I have come to the following conclusions:

1. The old Master of Blades and the new Master of Blades are both 16.7% better than Parry.
2. New Parry is technically worse than Old Parry. See below chart. However, that is because old parry was significantly better when the successful hit was a 3. While 3+ to hit does happen, I would argue it isn't the majority of cases, especially when you consider that you must have a sword to parry. Feel free to prove me wrong. Outside of 3+ to hit, New Parry and Old Parry average to be equal.
3. [With Old Parry] Don't try to hit a Dwarf with Master of Blades and two Dwarf Axes. It doesn't work.

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Here is a massive ugly chart that shows... everything. Someone might be able to draw more conclusions from it than I have presented here.

Dead-dead things are scary! I'll just let you charge me. Yup, that's the plan.

those 7 models just need to shoot 3 of your rats off and kill 2 in combat and ta-da roll your cute rat leadership!

False! With 21 models you have to kill 6! 

P.S. I'm disappointing no one noticed that Skaven are capped at 20 models. What can I say, I'm a cheating bastard rat. Just like rolling a 13 on 2d6 to win the game :)

P.S.S. I'll run the math on parry, etc. Is the goal to nerf parry or keep the same numbers? Furthermore, with Master of Blades, are we looking for a nerf or an equivalent buff (e.g. 15% better parry)?

I just tried to make a Dwarf warband, and I feel naked. Only 7 models??? (It doesn't help that I don't own any slayer models) No self-respecting Skaven warlord would ever set foot on the battlefield with less than 21 models.

Somebody just earned their Long Beard :)

See below photo. From the unedited Mordheim rulebook.

Also, look at the change notes in the OP.

Was the Shadow Warrior list official or fan made?

Another question: A certain person believes that parrying with dwarf axes is superior to parrying with a standard sword. I believe this is due to the dwarf axe Parry rule not being edited like the main book's Parry rule. As such, I believe a dwarf axe uses the same parry that the rest of us sword-wielders use. Is that correct?

Hey now, I can only have 20 +d3...

Yeah that punking was annoying. My assassin is claiming to have a broken leg... but in reality his pride was wounded. And he is now afraid of dogs. And pigs.

Question: Are we doing anything with wagons? I'm seeing them mentioned in the materials.

Another Question: Are Elves OP or something? I didn't see any in the warband list.

I request a one time change to my campaign objective: from The Scourge of the Realm to The Silent Threat.

it is far more in character for my Skaven warband.

That and Alter Ego is going to be hilarious.

Something to remember: not all banners do the same thing.

For example, the Slayer banner is called an Icon Bearer, and dispels anything targeting the unit on a 5+. Irondrakes have the same. Longbeards have the standard bearer as you described, and Warriors can have either/both.

I have good news. It will only be 95 that day!

I... You have an excellent argument.

I played it as unsaved wounds were multiplied by damage... but now that I read it I have no idea which scenario is correct.

That's just how it was done in 8th, with the main difference being that multiple models can die from a multiple wound attack.

Wait, it isn't that way now?

Well, maybe you shouldn't put all your hope in your TankLord. :)

But yeah, [big bad swear word] that [big bad swear word]. I keep my characters as far away as possible from anything with KB.

And mine are 1/3 the cost of yours!

I'm pretty sure that so many changes have been made that Swedish is invalid anyway.

Swedish wasn't perfect to begin with, so I say just discard it and play the game as you have modified it. You've worked hard to simplify certain parts of the game. Why not simplify the army construction phase :)

NB: I love Swedish. I would trade the extra math practice for a fun game any day.

I'm thinking maybe "Whenever Skaven attempt to cast Curse of the Horned Rat, roll D6.  On a 2+, remove all enemy models from play, with no saves of any kind."

 

2+ might be a bit off, I'll have to run a simulation.  It might be that 3+ is a better number.  TBD.

What do you think?

2+?? What do you take me for, a night goblin? We Skaven are not creatures of chance!

I say all the incantations right, but there are still enemies standing after I cast Curse of the Horned Rat. Any changes you can make to fix that? It's pretty annoying.

Different people are bothered about different things.

I think that the writers like the movement shenanigans in 8th edition.  I think a lot of people like them.

Of all the things people complain about (of which there are many) movement is not typically one of them.

EDIT: I've play Eric. I know about movement shenanigans.

Ah, I had you at 29. Oh well, I trust your math more than mine.

Still, pretty close comp. We'll have to have a rematch in the future.

I'll have to keep in mind that elves are worth more than slaves.

How many plaguebearers did you have?

Woah. The Swedish scores were 10.5ish (Daemons) vs 9.9 (High Elves). Pretty close for not even trying.

Take this with a grain of salt: I will be playing RealHammer with Evan (rudra34) tonight at Guardian at 6:30.

Evan plays quick. I have no idea what I'm doing. This puts the game length at about 2.5 - 3 hours. 

If you show up around 9pm, and are willing to hang out for a bit, I could play AoS with you after the game with Evan.

If that's just too random and unscheduled for you, np :)

Edit: turns out Guardian closes at 10 tonight. AoS is quick, but it may not be THAT quick.

I... There... is a thread for this already...