Guest Posted January 19, 2017 Report Share Posted January 19, 2017 I will point out that, according to the FAQ, a "regenerated" Drop Pod is not allowed to Deep Strike. Though as an immobile vehicle, I don't think it can arrive from normal reserves either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted January 19, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2017 I will point out that, according to the FAQ, a "regenerated" Drop Pod is not allowed to Deep Strike. Draft or official faq? I couldn't find it in the official. Q: If the Veil of Darkness is used while with a group of warriors and you go into Ongoing Reserves due to a Deep Strike Mishap, can you come in by Deep Striking? A: Only if all of the models involved have the Deep Strike rule. Q: If a unit has successfully manifested the Gate of Infinity psychic power but mishaps with its Deep Strike and gets the Delayed result, how does it come back into play the next round – walking on from its own table edge or by Deep Strike? A: It arrives by Deep Strike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonVilkee Posted January 19, 2017 Report Share Posted January 19, 2017 Also I think the pods special rule would over ride base rules. It does not have the option to arrive in any way but deep strike... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted January 19, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2017 Just checked the draft, don't see it. I don't see it in ITC either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted January 19, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2017 Iron Hands Gladius BDC 1 Captain with Bike, Gorgon Chain and TH - 185 5 Command Squad with bikes, apothecary, company champ, 2 storm shield, 3 Grav - 230 5 Tac with Plasma and Drop Pod - 85 5 Tac with Melta and Drop Pod - 80 5 Tac with Melta and Drop Pod - 80 5 Devastator Marines with Combi-Melta and Drop Pod - 80 5 Assault with 2 Flamer in Drop Pod - 80 BDC 2 Chaplain with Bike - 90 5 Tac with Plasma and Drop Pod - 85 5 Tac with Melta and Drop Pod - 80 5 Tac with Melta and Drop Pod - 80 5 Devastator Marines with Combi-Melta and Drop Pod - 80 5 Assault with 2 Flamer in Drop Pod - 80 10th Company Strike Force 5 Scouts with BP/CCW - 55 5 Scouts with BP/CCW - 55 5 Scouts with Mix - 55 1500 So this is still an option. As are the various CAD SOB ones, if I still want to use Celestine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
galahad911 Posted January 19, 2017 Report Share Posted January 19, 2017 Just checked the draft, don't see it. I don't see it in ITC either. Q: Can units that are created from a Formation rule (e.g. Skyblight Swarm’s Skyswarm) Deep Strike? A: No, only specifically stated otherwise. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted January 19, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2017 Q: Can units that are created from a Formation rule (e.g. Skyblight Swarm’s Skyswarm) Deep Strike? A: No, only specifically stated otherwise. Aha! Thank you. That scratches some more lists off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted January 19, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2017 Okay, now I'm in the 'lay crap out and see how it looks' stage. I think I'm going to have to go with a Castellan's Variant at this point just because of Coteaz and Co. I forgot how much I loved my guard/inquisition models. I don't think I'm crazy enough to field guard (from a timing perspective) but I definitely would like to have these dudes hit the table: Back row is 3 acolytes (a Leonidan guardsman, the Redeemer and his sidekick Malekev, 2 Plasma Servitors, 2 Psykers (counts-as Plasma Guns). Front row is my Coteaz. I basically just dug out the models I liked the best from my inquisition (although I have another inquisitor I would love to field as well) and put them together. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted January 20, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2017 I forgot Immolators have a FP now. Castellan's Celestine - 200 5 BSS with Melta/HF in Rhino - 120 5 BSS with Melta/HF in Rhino - 120 5 BSS with Melta/HF in Immo - 140 5 BSS with Melta/HF in Immo - 140 Dominions with 4 Melta in Repressor - 180 Dominions with 4 Melta in Repressor - 180 Dominions with 4 Melta in Repressor - 180 Coteaz - 100 Inquisitorial Henchman Band with 2 Acolytes with Plasma, 3 Acolytes, 2 Servitors with Plasma in Chimera with Psybolt - 140 1500 The 4 BSS and Rides all regen on a 5+. Everyone has Hatred (yay?) which is only really good for Celestine. Warband is there because Coteaz needs a place to hang out in for Annihilation (no BB). All infantry are ob-sec. Tempted to swap the Rhino BSS with Tacticals in Drop Pods, just to get some out there presence. edit: Whoops, forgot to add Celestine at the top. With drop pods not working with the regen rules, this is my current 'favorite' (seconded by the BC with Command Squad). I'm thinking of messing with it to get more 'out there' scoring units, like AP suggested. For the cost of one Dominion squad, I could get a couple scouts and such. I'm also thinking of taking a 'Inquisitorial Representative' formation to get a cheap inquisitor with 3 servos since servos are good again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted January 20, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2017 For example, I could do something like this: Castellan's Celestine - 200 5 BSS with Melta/HF in Rhino - 120 5 BSS with Melta/HF in Rhino - 120 5 BSS with Melta/F in Rhino - 115 Dominions with 4 Melta in Repressor - 180 Dominions with 4 Melta in Repressor - 180 Dominions with 4 Melta in Repressor - 180 Coteaz - 100 Inquisitorial Henchman Band with 2 Acolytes with Plasma, 3 Acolytes, 2 Servitors with Plasma in Chimera with Psybolt - 140 1500 Scouts - 55 Scouts - 55 Scouts - 55 1500 I feel like I don't have a lot of killing power. Maybe swap repressors for Exos. Hmm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted January 20, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2017 Ridiculous list: Celestine - 200 Coteaz - 100 Inquisitorial Henchman Band with 2 Acolytes with Plasma, 3 Acolytes, 2 Servitors with Plasma in Chimera with Psybolt - 140 PCS with 3 Flamers and Chim - 100 Infantry Squad with AC - 60 Infantry Squad with AC - 60 Infantry Squad with AC - 60 Scouts - 55 Scouts - 55 Scouts - 55 LS Storm - 40 Exorcist - 125 Exorcist - 125 Exorcist - 125 Thunderfire - 100 Thunderfire - 100 1500 Fortify whatever is on my board edge with my Techmarines. Plop the TFC and Exorcists down with Coteaz's squad to protect from deep strike. Bubble wrap with blob squad. Send out the scouts to take far objectives. Hope for the best. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted January 20, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2017 For example, I could do something like this: Castellan's Celestine - 200 5 BSS with Melta/HF in Rhino - 120 5 BSS with Melta/HF in Rhino - 120 5 BSS with Melta/F in Rhino - 115 Dominions with 4 Melta in Repressor - 180 Dominions with 4 Melta in Repressor - 180 Dominions with 4 Melta in Repressor - 180 Coteaz - 100 Inquisitorial Henchman Band with 2 Acolytes with Plasma, 3 Acolytes, 2 Servitors with Plasma in Chimera with Psybolt - 140 1500 Scouts - 55 Scouts - 55 Scouts - 55 1500 I feel like I don't have a lot of killing power. Maybe swap repressors for Exos. Hmm. Castellan's Celestine - 200 5 BSS with Melta/HF in Immolator - 140 5 BSS with Melta/HF in Immolator - 140 Dominions with 4 Melta in Repressor - 180 Dominions with 4 Melta in Repressor - 180 Dominions with 4 Melta in Repressor - 180 Coteaz - 100 Inquisitorial Henchman Band with 2 Acolytes with Plasma, 3 Acolytes, 2 Servitors with Plasma in Chimera with Psybolt - 140 1500 Scouts - 55 Scouts - 55 Exorcist - 125 1495 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted January 20, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2017 Okay, so still playing around with stuff. I laid this out and wanted to see if I had all the models. Made a few minor changes. Largely, I have just the Dev loadouts that I'm not super happy with. I also added the free razor from the Command Squad, which I had forgotten. I have sufficient models to do the bikes. I was going to do the special weapon on the handlebars thing that I have seen some other folks do, if I do it. Iron Hands GladiusBDC 1Captain with Bike, Gorgon Chain and Thunder Axe - 185 (this is the only power axe model in my army and they are both unwieldy, so I figured this would be okay)5 Command Squad with bikes, apothecary, company champ, 2 storm shield, 3 Grav with Razorback (HB) - 220 5 Tac with Plasma and Drop Pod - 855 Tac with Melta and Drop Pod - 805 Tac with Melta and Drop Pod - 805 Devastator Marines with 2 Heavy Bolters and Drop Pod - 80 (Put these in just to give them something.)5 Assault with 2 Flamer in Drop Pod - 80 BDC 2Chaplain with Bike - 905 Tac with Plasma and Drop Pod - 855 Tac with Melta and Drop Pod - 805 Tac with Melta and Drop Pod - 805 Devastator Marines with Combi-Melta and Drop Pod - 805 Assault with 2 Flamer in Drop Pod - 80 10th Company Strike Force5 Scouts with BP/CCW - 555 Scouts with 1 BP/CCW, 4 BP/Bolter - 555 Scouts with 2 Bolter/BP, 1 BP/CCW, 2 Shotgun/BP - 55 (Trying to get some ranged in here. I have the models to swap out the BP/CCW with Snipers, but am saving points right now.)1500 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted January 20, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2017 And a fun CAD: Celestine - 200 Ministorum Priest with Font of Fury - 35 (with Rets) 5 BSS with Melta/Flamer in Immo - 135 5 BSS with Melta/Flamer in Rhino - 115 5 BSS with Melta/Flamer in Rhino - 115 5 BSS with Melta/Flamer in Rhino - 115 5 Doms with 4 Melta in Repressor - 180 5 Doms with 4 Melta in Repressor - 180 Exorcist - 125 Exorcist - 125 5 Rets with 4 Heavy Flamers in Repressor - 175 1500 The return of the Easy Bake Oven! (Reminder: The Font of Fury (10pts) – Once per game, the bearer can use this instead of another ranged weapon. Range: 8″, S3, AP-, Assault 1, Large Blast, Poison 4+, One Use Only, Bane of Evil: becomes Poison 2+ against enemy units with Chaos Space Marine, Chaos Demon or Khorne Demonkin faction) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted January 20, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2017 I'm kinda leaning towards this one right now. Castellan's with Easy Bake: Celestine - 200 Ministorum Priest with Font of Fury - 35 (with Rets) 5 BSS with Melta/Flamer in Immo - 135 5 BSS with Melta/Flamer in Rhino - 115 5 Doms with 4 Melta in Repressor - 180 5 Doms with 4 Melta in Repressor - 180 5 Rets with 4 Heavy Flamers in Repressor - 175 Coteaz - 100 Inquisitorial Henchman Band with 2 Acolytes with Plasma, 3 Acolytes, 2 Servitors with Plasma in Chimera with Psybolt - 140 Exorcist - 125 5 Scouts with BP/Bolter - 55 5 Scouts with 3 Bolter/BP, 1 BP/CCW, 2 Shotgun/BP - 55 1495 5 Points to play with. I was going to take sniper rifles, but it looks like that squad finally sold, so I don't have them anymore. Everything except the vehicles is ob sec, so that's nice.4 Troops and 2 Transports to regen. Hatred for everything. Probably Celestine warlord for the bubble of faith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted January 20, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2017 And taking a page from fluger's book, I'm thinking the scouts would be chapter tactics Raptors for the rending bolters and stealth. Alternatively, Raven for Shrouded until turn 2 and choosing to make it dark would be amusing, especially since a lot of my army ignores cover. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbusePuppy Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 Raptors are really good. I think they're the "better" option, although Raven Guard aren't that bad these days- tons of Shrouded dudes starting on the table is obnoxious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted January 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 Well it wouldn't be tons. Just two squads of bolter scouts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted January 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 So, moving to a different topic, Jokaeros: Did anyone notice they got buffed? The 6+ is now 'pick two' not 'roll two more times' 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted January 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 So someone was trying to sell me on the benefits of Master of Ambush with Dominions/Rets, and I kind of like the idea. Towards that end, I got another Warlord Trait to try to fish for MoA and grabbed some servos while I'm at it since GSC. I also dropped the Chimera and took a larger retinue for bodies. Lastly, a LSS that could possibly regen gets me a lot of reach. Celestine - 200Coteaz - 100Inq Henchman (C:I) - 9 Acolytes, 2 Servitors, Psyker - 865 Dominions with 4 Melta in Repressor - 1805 Dominions with 4 Melta in Repressor - 1805 Rets with 4 Heavy Flamers in Repressor - 175Exorcist - 125 Troops (these regen)5 BSS with Melta/Flamer in Immo - 1355 BSS with Melta/Flamer in Immo - 1355 Scouts with BP/Bolter (Raptor CT) - 555 Scouts with BP/Bolter (Raptor CT) and Land Speeder Storm - 95Inquisitorial Representative Detachment with Ordo Hereticus and 3 Servos - 341500 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted January 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 I feel like I'm starting to agree to a core and it's just a matter of finding the stuff around it. Core Celestine - 200Coteaz - 100Some sort of Henchman Squad for Coteaz - ??5 Dominions with 4 Melta in Repressor - 1805 Dominions with 4 Melta in Repressor - 1805 Rets with 4 Heavy Flamers in Repressor - 175Exorcist - 125 Troops (these regen)5 BSS with Melta/Flamer in Immo - 1355 BSS with Melta/Flamer in Immo - 1355 Scouts with BP/Bolter (Raptor CT) - 555 Scouts with BP/Bolter (Raptor CT) - 55 ~1340 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbusePuppy Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 Master of Ambush is a fantastic trait in the general sense; I don;t think your list is optimized for it, but it certainly can make decent use of it with the Doms. I think keeping Coteaz's unit relatively cheap is a good plan. Servitors don't get Multimeltas for free in IA, do they? A trio of them was always my go-to, since they smash Drop Pods and Dreadnoughts and whatnot while still being a reasonable threat to other units as well. I hadn't noticed the Jokaero change; it's interesting, but I think ultimately not worth the investment with how awkward it is to build the "full" warband in IA. Might be useful for more casual lists, though. Do you find the Rets to be particularly helpful? Heavy Flamers are nice guns and all, but I'm not sure how much utility they'll give you when they can't have a Drop Pod. Do you have any Dev Centurions? They're a really good "solution" sort of unit, and right now I see your list struggling a lot with a GC of just about any kind- a Wraithknight or Stormsurge could give you serious problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted January 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 Rets are pretty okay, although they are not clutch. I could certainly swap them. I don't have any MM servitors made, but I'm pretty sure I could convert my existing Servitors to use them. That's not a bad idea. Also, I'm not taking IA servitors since you can't get a warband from IA into a Castellans (for some weird reason). Yeah, the jokaero change doesn't help me because it is only IA Jokers and the IA warband isn't available to Castellans. I have Dev Cents (with Grav) but don't have a delivery platform in Castellans to use them. Are they worth it if I'm walking around? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted January 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 Also, I broke and bought the Triumverate today. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted January 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 Wait, dumb question. A Hurricane Bolter counts as 3 TL Boltguns. Raptor Tactics gives your Boltguns heavy 1 Rending. Does that mean Grav Cents get 3 TL Heavy 1 Rending shots instead of their normal? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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