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I am playing in a tournament mid april and i am deciding which of these lists i like better.  Havent played with the new lizardmen much yet so i figured i would see what you guys all think.  every army in the tournament gets a free giant for their army.

 

LIst #1

 

Saurus Oldblood on Carnasaur 423pts

     spear, light armor, shield, talisman of preservation

 

Saurus Oldblood 196pts

     great weapon, armor of destiny

 

Skink Chief on Ancient Steg 351pts

     spear, light armor, shield, bsb

     sacred steg helm of itza, luckstone, ironcurse icon

 

Skink Priest 125pts

     lvl2 beasts, dispel scroll

 

Skink Priest 130pts

     lvl2 beasts, cube of darkness

 

29 Saurus 349pts

     spear, full cmd

 

10 skink skirmishers 70pts

     blowpipes

 

10 skink skirmishers 70pts

     blowpipes

 

16 skink cohort 180pts

     2 krox

 

5 cham skinks 65pts

 

3 terradons 105 pts

 

3 razordons 195 pts

 

ancient steg 240 pts

      unstoppable stampede

 

List #2

 

Slann 410pts

     mystery, reservoir, becalming, bsb, ironcurse icon

 

Saurus Oldblood 196pts

     great weapon, armor of destiny

 

Saurus Scar-vet 372pts

     carnasaur, spear, shield, light armor

     talisman of preservation, loping stride

 

Skink Priest 90pts

     beasts, dispel scroll

 

30 Saurus 360 pts

     spears, full cmd

 

10 Skink skirmishers 70 pts

     blowpispes

 

10 skink skirmishers 70pts

     blowpipes

 

15 skink cohort 125 pts

     1 krox

 

25 Temple Guard 380pts

     full cmd

 

Ancient Steg 230pts

 

3 Razordons 195pts

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That's not possible at 2.5k. Even minimal gear would exceed the 25% Lords in the above example. Just drop the oldblood, add in some skinks and terradons I say. I really like harassment units.

 

Similarly, the stegs couldn't be ancients in the above list because that'd be too much rare. At least one would have to be a reggy steggy. Not that it's a horrible thing, just something to note. In either case, I would always buy sharpened horns. There's a lot of monsters and monsterous cav in the world and that upgrade is about the best answer you've got.

 

What's the draw with Razordons though? I feel like the sallies are more of a "sure thing" and thus, more reliable. Plus I don't like planning on getting charged to use special rules like that. What am I missing?

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i only own 1 carnasaur so double carnies is out.  you can do 2 ancient stegs if one is a hero mount as that one pulls from hero pt pool.  I am like munkie and like the harasment units which is why i am leaning towards list one.  Seems every lizardmen list includes a slann so i was tring to think out of the box while not leaving myself without magic defense...hence two skink priest with a dispel scroll and cube.  Keep the thoughts coming.  thanks guys

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I love diverters and screeners. I can't see a lizard list without at least 3 skink skirmishers, and two min sized flying units.

I was just spitballing ideas

I think that an old blood kitted out for combat could be brutal on a Carnosaur.

Don't got my book handy atm. Can you take the sacred helm on an oldblood mounted? If so awesome!

 

Edit. Hell yes you can. Ward save him up and go with a 1+/4++ str 5(6 on charge) t6 dude with d3 str 5 impact hits.

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Meh. It'll be awesome when it happens, but that's just sooo many points. Too high-priority for me.

 

I did just realize that you can take both a carnosaur and stegadon ancient in heroes at 2.5k. This is cool because it still leaves room for another ancient and some sallies/razors in rare. I'd do something like:

 

327: Scar-vet w/ spear, light armor, shield; carnosaur, loping stride.

 

296: Skink chief w/ spear, light armor, shield; ancient stegadon, sharpened horns.

 

It also really opens the door for some monster mash lists.

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i have personally never been a fan of named characters.  i really want to try and make a list that can compete without a slann.  templeguard without a slaan are tempting.  i dont like them with one because the slann goes in the second rank and takes away some of the TG attacks.  i just wish lizardmen had more variety for core.  i am thinking about taking out the skrox unit and breaking it into two more units of skink skirmishers.  i just dont see a great use for the skrox unit

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If the Slann went in the front rank, it would remove even more attacks. I think the second rank thing is awesome. It allows your magic bunker to get in combat with no risk to your slann. That said, a slann+TG adds up pretty quick. I do want to try a horde of Saurus with a slann and the skavenpelt banner in the unit. Could be cool.

 

As to the mixed cohorts, I've never been a fan. Although I did recently get the idea to take 10 skinks w/ musician and krox. At 110 points, it's in about the same range as a lot of fast cav units, which I think is acceptable. With ld 7, they can operate on the flanks and panic less. Also, opponents' lighter flanking forces like fast cav will be far less likely to charge in to stop the skinks from hurling any more javelins. 3-4 str 7 attacks is pretty daunting to low-model-count units.

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What about this for a mixed approach:

 

495: Slann w/ Soul of Stone, Becalming Cogitation, Wandering Deliberation, Higher State of Consciousness; Dispel Scroll, Dragonbane Gem; BSB

 

327: Scar-vet w/ Spear, light armor, shield; Carnosaur, Loping Stride

 

296: Skink chief w/ Spear, light armor, shield; Ancient Stegadon, Sharpened Horns

 

525: 45 Saurus w/ spears, full command

 

70: 10 Skink Skirmishers w/ javelins and shields

 

70, 10 Skink Skirmishers w/ javelins and shields

 

108: 3 Terradons w/ fireleech bolas

 

108: 3 Terradons w/ fireleech bolas

 

250: Ancient Stegadon w/ Sharpened Horns

 

250: Ancient Stegadon w/ Sharpened Horns

 

Total: 2499

 

So you've got a ghost slann, a horde of saurus, and 4 monsters! That just looks like too much fun!

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Yeah ghost slann can't join. Dragonbane gem is to help against magical flaming war machines (dwarves). But it's safer than a slann w/o temple guard, since he doesn't get LOS! against cannons and stone throwers.

 

Anyway, sorry to thread jack, I was just trying to offer up an alternative if you found yourself thinking, "either slann OR dinos."

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Here is what i decided to test out

 

Saurus Oldblood on Carnasaur 429pts

     spear, shield, ironcurse icon, sacred steg helm

 

Saurus Oldblood 196pts

     great weapon, armor of destiny

 

Skink Chief on Ancient Steg 349pts

     spear, light armor, bsb

     talisman of preservation, ench shield

 

Skink Priest 125pts

     lvl2 beasts, dispel scroll

 

Skink Priest 130pts

     lvl2 beasts, cube of darkness

 

28 Saurus 338pts

     spear, full cmd

 

10 skink skirmishers 70pts

     blowpipes

 

10 skink cohort, 1 kroc 110pts

     musician

 

10 skink cohort, 1 kroc 110pts

     musician

 

5 cham skinks 65pts

 

bastiladon solar engine 150pts

 

3 razordons 195 pts

 

ancient steg 230 pts

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