pretre Posted December 18, 2018 Report Share Posted December 18, 2018 Okay, so here's my thread for list noodling. We'll start with the simple one. 2k - 15 CP (14 after relics) - 9 Faith Ebon Chalice Brigade HQ - Uriah - 50 HQ - Canoness - BP/CCW/Book of St Luc (Warlord with Indom Belief) - 45 HQ - Celestine - 160 OB SEC TROOP - 5 BSS with 2 SB and Sup with SB - 51 OB SEC TROOP - 5 BSS with 2 SB and Sup with SB - 51 DED TRANS - Repressor with SB/HF -= 107 OB SEC TROOP - 5 BSS with 2 SB and Sup with SB - 51 OB SEC TROOP - 5 BSS with 2 SB and Sup with SB - 51 DED TRANS - Repressor with SB/HF -= 107 OB SEC TROOP - 15 BSS with Melta/HF - 163 OB SEC TROOP - 5 BSS with HB/SB - 57 FRELITE - 2 geminae - 50 ELITE - Dialogous (Brazier) - 30 ELITE - Dialogous - 30 ELITE - Pious Vorne - 25 HEAVY - Exorcist - 125 HEAVY - Exorcist - 125 HEAVY - Exorcist - 125 FAST - 10 Seraphim, CS/BP, 2x2IP - 146 FAST - 5 Doms, 4 Melta, Bolt/BP/CS - 118 DED TRANS - Repressor with SB/HF - 107 FAST - 5 Doms, 4 Melta, Bolt/BP/CS - 118 DED TRANS - Repressor with SB/HF - 107 POINTS OFF ON THIS ONE Thinking of scraping up 18 points for each Dom squad to get a CombiF and Bolter girl, but skipping for now. No simulacrums yet. This is basically porting my existing models over to a new list. Not sure yet. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusldorf Posted December 18, 2018 Report Share Posted December 18, 2018 Yeah that was going to be my main comment: getting a combi-flamer and simulacrum in the dom squads. Other than that it looks like a fun starting point. I would also consider for the seraphim running EITHER 1 pair hand flamer & 1 pair inferno pistol OR (and i prefer this one) 2 pairs hand flamer but with an inferno pistol on the sergeant. This would give your list some extra anti-horde punch, which you're a little light on, and also allow you to use holy trinity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted December 18, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2018 Just now, Dusldorf said: Yeah that was going to be my main comment: getting a combi-flamer and simulacrum in the dom squads. Other than that it looks like a fun starting point. I would also consider for the seraphim running EITHER 1 pair hand flamer & 1 pair inferno pistol OR (and i prefer this one) 2 pairs hand flamer but with an inferno pistol on the sergeant. This would give your list some extra anti-horde punch, which you're a little light on, and also allow you to use holy trinity. I don't know about crafting for HT yet. I'm thinking about it. And I''ve got a butt-ton of SB and HF, that's light on Anti-Horde? 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted December 18, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2018 2k - 13 CP (10 after relics) - 10 Faith Ebon Chalice Batallion HQ - Canoness - BP/CCW/Book of St Luc (Warlord with Indom Belief) - 45 HQ - Celestine - 160 OB SEC TROOP - 5 BSS with 2 SB - 49 OB SEC TROOP - 5 BSS with 2 SB - 49 OB SEC TROOP - 15 BSS with Melta/HF - 163 ELITE - Dialogous (Brazier) - 30 ELITE - Dialogous - 30 HEAVY - Exorcist - 125 HEAVY - Exorcist - 125 HEAVY - Exorcist - 125 FAST - 5 Doms, 4 Melta, Bolt/BP/CS - 118 DED TRANS - Repressor with SB/HF - 107 FAST - 5 Doms, 4 Melta, Bolt/BP/CS - 118 DED TRANS - Repressor with SB/HF - 107 FAST - 5 Doms, 4 Melta, Bolt/BP/CS - 118 DED TRANS - Repressor with SB/HF - 107 HQ - Uriah - 50 HQ - Canoness with PW/CCW (Blade) - 45 OB SEC TROOP - 5 BSS with 2 SB - 49 OB SEC TROOP - 5 BSS with 2 SB - 49 OB SEC TROOP - 5 BSS with HB/SB - 57 HEAVY - 5 Rets with 4 HB - 85 HEAVY - 5 Rets with 4 HB - 85 Much more static and more of a gunline with some moving elements Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusldorf Posted December 18, 2018 Report Share Posted December 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, pretre said: I don't know about crafting for HT yet. I'm thinking about it. And I''ve got a butt-ton of SB and HF, that's light on Anti-Horde? 😉 I mean, those are nice, but let's be honest they're not arcos 😛 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted December 18, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2018 Just now, Dusldorf said: I mean, those are nice, but let's be honest they're not arcos 😛 I thought about arcos, but feel like they'll just get shot to [big bad swear word]. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusldorf Posted December 18, 2018 Report Share Posted December 18, 2018 Just now, pretre said: I thought about arcos, but feel like they'll just get shot to [big bad swear word]. thats why they live in a rhino! just advance to behind a ruin first turn, and then disembark charge the following. or counter-charge if someone gets in your face. 7" move easy peasy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted December 18, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, Dusldorf said: thats why they live in a rhino! just advance to behind a ruin first turn, and then disembark charge the following. or counter-charge if someone gets in your face. 7" move easy peasy. That's a good chunk of points now though that I have to either give up the Brigade or fundamentally change the list. So back to the drawing board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted December 18, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2018 Holy crap, melta got cheaper? I need to update. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted December 18, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2018 VERSION 3.0 2k - 15 CP (12 after relics) - 9 Faith Ebon Chalice Brigade HQ - Canoness with PW/BP (Blade)- 49 HQ - Canoness - BP/CCW/Book of St Luc (Warlord with Indom Belief) - 45 HQ - Celestine - 160 OB SEC TROOP - 5 BSS with 2 SB and Sup with SB - 51 OB SEC TROOP - 5 BSS with 2 SB - 49 DED TRANS - Repressor with SB/HF -= 107 OB SEC TROOP - 5 BSS with 2 SB - 49 OB SEC TROOP - 5 BSS with 2 SB - 49 OB SEC TROOP - 5 BSS with 2 SB - 49 OB SEC TROOP - 5 BSS with 2 SB - 49 DED TRANS - Repressor with SB/HF -= 107 FRELITE - 2 Geminae - 50 ELITE - Dialogous (Brazier) - 30 ELITE - Preacher - 25 ELITE - Pious Vorne - 25 FRELITE - Arcos x8 - 120 DED TRANS - Rhino with SB - 75 HEAVY - Exorcist - 125 HEAVY - Exorcist - 125 HEAVY - 5 Rets with 4 HB - 85 FAST - 8 Seraphim, CS/IP, 1x2IP, 1x2HF - 113 FAST - 6 Doms, 4 Melta, CombiF/BP/CS - 124 DED TRANS - Repressor with SB/HF - 107 FAST - 6 Doms, 4 Melta, CombiF/BP/CS - 124 DED TRANS - Repressor with SB/HF - 107 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted December 18, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2018 There's also the evil part of me that is wondering if I should go Battalion and Loyal 32. My Reds could make an appearance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusldorf Posted December 18, 2018 Report Share Posted December 18, 2018 I like this iteration. The "frelites" still count toward your detachment requirements even though they don't take up slots, so I would consider dropping pious vorne and something else to turn that retributor squad into a third exorcist. I really don't think retributors pull their weight anymore, now that double-shoot is gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonVilkee Posted December 18, 2018 Report Share Posted December 18, 2018 3 minutes ago, Dusldorf said: I like this iteration. The "frelites" still count toward your detachment requirements even though they don't take up slots, so I would consider dropping pious vorne and something else to turn that retributor squad into a third exorcist. I really don't think retributors pull their weight anymore, now that double-shoot is gone. Where is this clarified? I always assumed the opposite and never really looked into it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusldorf Posted December 18, 2018 Report Share Posted December 18, 2018 1 minute ago, VonVilkee said: Where is this clarified? I always assumed the opposite and never really looked into it... The rulebook says that detachments are fulfilled by units' battlefield roles. A unit not officially taking up a slot doesn't change its role. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonVilkee Posted December 18, 2018 Report Share Posted December 18, 2018 Just now, Dusldorf said: The rulebook says that detachments are fulfilled by units' battlefield roles. A unit not officially taking up a slot doesn't change its role. Hmmmm going to the books I read it the opposite way. I will say that front line gaming also interprets it as I did... your interpretation while equally valid does fly in the face of most common practices so be ready to defend it with page references. I'm off to re read the relevant sections now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonVilkee Posted December 18, 2018 Report Share Posted December 18, 2018 Main rule book pg 242 top "Icons on a detachment are referred to as slots. Each slot will specify a battle field role. Each red slot is compulsory." Pretty straight forward must fill red slots with units. It does go on to clarify that in a battalion you must take two troop battle field role units (book typo not mine). Chapter approved pg 83 and 84 have consistent wording. "If battle forged this unit does not take up a slot in a detachment that contains x" I'm not seeing how you can use a unit that does not take up a slot to compulsively fill a slot... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted December 18, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2018 Yeah, I don't think you can do that. Slots are how you fill up Detachments. If it doesn't take up a slot, it doesn't fill the detachment. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted December 18, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2018 They should have said 'May have it not take up a slot' 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonVilkee Posted December 18, 2018 Report Share Posted December 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, pretre said: Yeah, I don't think you can do that. Slots are how you fill up Detachments. If it doesn't take up a slot, it doesn't fill the detachment. Funny enough it is by detachment not army for the slot free status... so you could with two detachments split celestine from her geminae and they'd take up slots even in the same army. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted December 18, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2018 Just now, VonVilkee said: Funny enough it is by detachment not army for the slot free status... so you could with two detachments split celestine from her geminae and they'd take up slots even in the same army. Right. Which is pretty neat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusldorf Posted December 18, 2018 Report Share Posted December 18, 2018 Fair enough. But yeah then I would consider double battalion so you don't have to pay additional unit taxes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted December 18, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2018 39 minutes ago, Dusldorf said: Fair enough. But yeah then I would consider double battalion so you don't have to pay additional unit taxes. So, I was thinking double Batt, but Other than the Elites, I want/need all the units I'm taking. Also, double Batt gets me 2 less CP. Also, I'd have to take another HQ. So, for now, I think I'm good with Brig. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted December 19, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2018 7 hours ago, pretre said: VERSION 3.0 2k - 15 CP (12 after relics) - 9 Faith Ebon Chalice Brigade HQ - Canoness with PW/BP (Blade)- 49 HQ - Canoness - BP/CCW/Book of St Luc (Warlord with Indom Belief) - 45 HQ - Celestine - 160 OB SEC TROOP - 5 BSS with 2 SB and Sup with SB - 51 OB SEC TROOP - 5 BSS with 2 SB - 49 DED TRANS - Repressor with SB/HF -= 107 OB SEC TROOP - 5 BSS with 2 SB - 49 OB SEC TROOP - 5 BSS with 2 SB - 49 OB SEC TROOP - 5 BSS with 2 SB - 49 OB SEC TROOP - 5 BSS with 2 SB - 49 DED TRANS - Repressor with SB/HF -= 107 FRELITE - 2 Geminae - 50 ELITE - Dialogous (Brazier) - 30 ELITE - Preacher - 25 ELITE - Pious Vorne - 25 FRELITE - Arcos x8 - 120 DED TRANS - Rhino with SB - 75 HEAVY - Exorcist - 125 HEAVY - Exorcist - 125 HEAVY - 5 Rets with 4 HB - 85 FAST - 8 Seraphim, CS/IP, 1x2IP, 1x2HF - 113 FAST - 6 Doms, 4 Melta, CombiF/BP/CS - 124 DED TRANS - Repressor with SB/HF - 107 FAST - 6 Doms, 4 Melta, CombiF/BP/CS - 124 DED TRANS - Repressor with SB/HF - 107 Apparently Vorne breaks the detachment and a Dialogous can't take the Brazier. Doh. Back to the drawing board. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted December 19, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2018 VERSION 4.0 2k - 15 CP (14 after relics) - 9 Faith Ebon Chalice Brigade HQ - Canoness with PW/BP (Brazier)- 49 HQ - Canoness - BP/CCW/Book of St Luc (Warlord with Indom Belief) - 45 HQ - Celestine - 160 OB SEC TROOP - 5 BSS with 2 SB and Sup with SB - 51 OB SEC TROOP - 5 BSS with 2 SB and Sup with SB - 51 DED TRANS - Repressor with SB/HF - 107 OB SEC TROOP - 5 BSS with 2 SB - 49 OB SEC TROOP - 5 BSS with 2 SB - 49 OB SEC TROOP - 5 BSS with 2 SB and Sup with SB - 51 OB SEC TROOP - 5 BSS with 2 SB and Sup with SB - 51 DED TRANS - Repressor with SB/HF -= 107 ELITE - Dialogous - 30 ELITE - Preacher - 25 FREELITE - Mistress - 30 ELITE - Repentia x8 - 120 DED TRANS - Rhino with SB - 75 HEAVY - Exorcist - 125 HEAVY - Exorcist - 125 HEAVY - Exorcist - 125 FAST - 8 Seraphim, CS/PP, 1x2IP, 1x2HF - 113 FAST - 6 Doms, 4 Melta, CombiF/BP/CS - 124 DED TRANS - Repressor with SB/HF - 107 FAST - 6 Doms, 4 Melta, CombiF/BP/CS - 124 DED TRANS - Repressor with SB/HF - 107 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted December 20, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2018 Okay, I think I decided on a list for now: VERSION 5.0 - Final? 2k - 15 CP (14 after relics) - 9 Faith Ebon Chalice Brigade HQ - Sister Ephrael - Canoness with PS/BP (Brazier)- 49 HQ - Sister Vangela - Canoness - BP/CCW/Book of St Luc (Warlord with Indom Belief) - 45 HQ - Celestine - 160 OB SEC TROOP - His Agony - 5 BSS with 2 SB and Sup with BP/CS/SB - 51 OB SEC TROOP - His Woe - 5 BSS with 2 SB and Sup with BP/CS/SB - 51 DED TRANS - Repressor with SB/HF - 107 OB SEC TROOP - His Pain- 5 BSS with 2 SB and Sup with BP/CS/Bolter- 49 OB SEC TROOP - His Grief - 5 BSS with 2 SB and Sup with BP/CS/Bolter - 49 OB SEC TROOP - His Loss - 5 BSS with 2 SB and Sup with BP/CS/SB - 51 OB SEC TROOP - His Suffering - 5 BSS with 2 SB and Sup with BP/CS/SB - 51 DED TRANS - Repressor with SB/HF = 107 ELITE - Dialogous Yara - Dialogous - 30 ELITE - Confessor Kyrinov - Preacher - 25 FREELITE - Mistress Rovys - Mistress of Repentance - 35 ELITE - The Red Redemption - Repentia x8 - 120 DED TRANS - Rhino with SB - 75 HEAVY - Exorcist - 125 HEAVY - Exorcist - 125 HEAVY - Exorcist - 125 FAST - His Deliverance - 8 Seraphim, CS/BP, 1x2IP, 1x2HF - 108 FAST - His Retribution - 6 Doms, 4 Melta, CombiF/BP/CS - 124 DED TRANS - Repressor with SB/HF - 107 FAST - His Retaliation - 6 Doms, 4 Melta, CombiF/BP/CS - 124 DED TRANS - Repressor with SB/HF - 107 Bonus points in that it is almost completely ready for play. Maybe ~5-6 models to paint. My canonesses even had the right modeling for their relics, which was weird. I did have the wrong points for the MoR so I had to drop the PP on the Seraphim. And because this is the part of the list building where I lay them all out to figure out if I like the way it looks: List of to dos: - Paint one BS from His Loss - Paint one BS from His Grief - Change hair on 2 models - Touchup on Dial and Mistress - Paint 2 models and touchups on Red Redemption - Put magnet in rhino for banner And a month to do it. 🙂 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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