fluger Posted February 8, 2019 Report Share Posted February 8, 2019 4 minutes ago, Lyraeus said: I had a flash of ork Kunnin... Just thought of something hilarious... You can Grot Shield in the charge phase... Heh @Dark Trainer @Salty Monkey I tried it one game and its kinda tough to manage. Could be great though. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 8, 2019 Report Share Posted February 8, 2019 1 hour ago, Lyraeus said: I had a flash of ork Kunnin... Just thought of something hilarious... You can Grot Shield in the charge phase... Heh @Dark Trainer @Salty Monkey Wouldn't the grots have to be the closest target for that to work? Wouldn't it be more practical to charge with the grots, let them lose models in the charge, lock the enemy, and then not have any overwatch for a second unit? Plus that wouldn't cost any CP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyraeus Posted February 8, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2019 Just now, paxmiles said: Wouldn't the grots have to be the closest target for that to work? Wouldn't it be more practical to charge with the grots, let them lose models in the charge, lock the enemy, and then not have any overwatch for a second unit? Sure it would. Grots at 9.01" away after da jump, boyz/stormboyz at 9.1" away after deepstrike 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 8, 2019 Report Share Posted February 8, 2019 Just now, Lyraeus said: Sure it would. Grots at 9.01" away after da jump, boyz/stormboyz at 9.1" away after deepstrike I'd be wary about using distances that are less than a tenth of an inch to determine how far models are away from eachother. All it takes is bumping a model a bit on accident, and I do mean accident. In our game, you bumped the weird boyz staffs a few times with your tape measure while measuring smites which put them in different range of things, but it's really petty to call you on it and it was probably an accident. But accidents is my point, a person could very easilly accidentally bump a model where it was no more than a tenth of an inch out of position and that's reasonable behavior. So relying on a model being measured at 9 hundreths of an inch away from the enemy seems a bit unreasonable. Can the grots "da jump"? I'm not sure if the grots have the same keywords. Do they have the ones that matter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyraeus Posted February 8, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2019 13 minutes ago, paxmiles said: I'd be wary about using distances that are less than a tenth of an inch to determine how far models are away from eachother. All it takes is bumping a model a bit on accident, and I do mean accident. In our game, you bumped the weird boyz staffs a few times with your tape measure while measuring smites which put them in different range of things, but it's really petty to call you on it and it was probably an accident. But accidents is my point, a person could very easilly accidentally bump a model where it was no more than a tenth of an inch out of position and that's reasonable behavior. So relying on a model being measured at 9 hundreths of an inch away from the enemy seems a bit unreasonable. Can the grots "da jump"? I'm not sure if the grots have the same keywords. Do they have the ones that matter? If I declare my intent and the grot base is a hair closer than the Boyz base, why would you want to argue the intent? At that point you are pushing for slow play and not being a good sport. If I am doing something blatant then call me on it but if we are talking fractions of an inch that follows the rules and you understand what my goal is why play "gotcha 40k" Gorts are an Ork Infantry and the grot rule is only prohibitive of Stratagems Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 8, 2019 Report Share Posted February 8, 2019 52 minutes ago, Lyraeus said: At that point you are pushing for slow play and not being a good sport. If I am doing something blatant then call me on it but if we are talking fractions of an inch that follows the rules and you understand what my goal is why play "gotcha 40k" Maybe not you, but for ITC players, there is a whole school of thought regarding the number of acceptable "mistakes" in a given game or event. If you don't do it, you'll probably encounter it at some point. Since mistakes are an accepted part of the game, compeditive ITC players often "fudge" the rules ever so slightly at key points to gain an edge. Forgeting rules, falsely remembering them, or bumping models is hardly detectable. I don't know that it qualifies as a bad sportsmanship in the ITC player context, though it would be in casual play. And as long as they don't blatently described their "accidents" as intentionals, how would you really know? Regarding intent, I don't know that it matters. If you set up your models with a declared intent, and later we find that your intended action isn't actually viable, that's called a mistake. In a learning game, and probably in casual play, we'd allow you to fix your mistake, but in an ITC tourament, I hardly see why intent would matter, declared or otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyraeus Posted February 8, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2019 19 minutes ago, paxmiles said: Maybe not you, but for ITC players, there is a whole school of thought regarding the number of acceptable "mistakes" in a given game or event. If you don't do it, you'll probably encounter it at some point. Since mistakes are an accepted part of the game, compeditive ITC players often "fudge" the rules ever so slightly at key points to gain an edge. Forgeting rules, falsely remembering them, or bumping models is hardly detectable. I don't know that it qualifies as a bad sportsmanship in the ITC player context, though it would be in casual play. And as long as they don't blatently described their "accidents" as intentionals, how would you really know? Regarding intent, I don't know that it matters. If you set up your models with a declared intent, and later we find that your intended action isn't actually viable, that's called a mistake. In a learning game, and probably in casual play, we'd allow you to fix your mistake, but in an ITC tourament, I hardly see why intent would matter, declared or otherwise. Intent is used in ITC especially top tables. Yes there are people who play tight games but it also depends on how you play. If you don't quibble over every 16th of an inch another player won't. People like you name don't tent to be top tables often. It's always a process 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyraeus Posted February 13, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2019 ++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Orks) [36 PL, 668pts] ++ + No Force Org Slot + Clan Kultur: Bad Moons + HQ + Weirdboy [3 PL, 62pts] Big Mek (Index) [5 PL, 79pts]: Choppa, Grot Oiler, Kustom Force Field + Troops + Gretchin [2 PL, 60pts]: 20x Gretchin Gretchin [2 PL, 60pts]: 20x Gretchin Boyz [11 PL, 152pts]: 2x Tankbusta Bombs . Boss Nob: Big Choppa, Slugga . 20x Ork Boy W/ Shoota + Heavy Support + Lootas [13 PL, 255pts]: 15x Loota ++ Brigade Detachment +12CP (Orks) [68 PL, -1CP, 1332pts] ++ + No Force Org Slot + Clan Kultur: Deathskulls Specialist Detachment [-1CP]: Dread Waaaagh! + HQ + Big Mek W/ Shokk Attack Gun [4 PL, 84pts]: Da Souped-up Shokka, Grot Oiler, Shokk Attack Gun, Warlord Weirdboy [3 PL, 62pts] Warboss in Mega Armour (index) [7 PL, 120pts]: Power Klaw, Shoota + Troops + Boyz [11 PL, 237pts]: 3x Tankbusta Bombs . Boss Nob: Killsaw, Kombi-Rokkit . 29x Ork Boy W/ Slugga & Choppa Boyz [11 PL, 223pts]: 2x Tankbusta Bombs . Boss Nob: Killsaw, Kombi-Rokkit . 10x Ork Boy W/ Shoota . 17x Ork Boy W/ Slugga & Choppa Gretchin [1 PL, 30pts]: 10x Gretchin Gretchin [1 PL, 30pts]: 10x Gretchin Gretchin [1 PL, 30pts]: 10x Gretchin Gretchin [1 PL, 30pts]: 10x Gretchin + Elites + Mad Dok Grotsnik [5 PL, 86pts] Meganobz [6 PL, 105pts] . Boss Meganob w/ PK: Kustom Shoota, Power Klaw . Meganob W/ PK: Kustom Shoota, Power Klaw . Meganob W/ PK: Kustom Shoota, Power Klaw Nob with Waaagh! Banner [4 PL, 77pts]: Kustom Shoota + Fast Attack + Deff Kopta [2 PL, 40pts] . DeffKopta: Bigbomm (Index), Twin Big Shoota Deff Kopta [2 PL, 40pts] . DeffKopta: Bigbomm (Index), Twin Big Shoota Stormboyz [3 PL, 45pts]: 5x Stormboy + Heavy Support + Mek Gunz [2 PL, 31pts] . Gun: Smasha Gun Mek Gunz [2 PL, 31pts] . Gun: Smasha Gun Mek Gunz [2 PL, 31pts] . Gun: Smasha Gun ++ Total: [104 PL, -1CP, 2000pts] ++ The list I am considering for this weekends tournament at the Guardian Cup. Will see about tweaking some things to make it work as I have to work on the saws of my Mega nobz... Wysiwyg is painful but I can tweak to fit 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluger Posted February 13, 2019 Report Share Posted February 13, 2019 Why 5 stormboyz instead of another deffkopta? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyraeus Posted February 13, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2019 10 minutes ago, fluger said: Why 5 stormboyz instead of another deffkopta? Objec secured and its more painting for me with a 3rd as I have to paint their yellow with blue... Careful to leave some yellow showing as they looted them 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluger Posted February 13, 2019 Report Share Posted February 13, 2019 List restrictions based on model availability makes sense to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyraeus Posted February 13, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2019 57 minutes ago, fluger said: List restrictions based on model availability makes sense to me. Yup. Otherwise the stormboyz offer me ITC flexibility that the Deffkoptas don't. Since stormboyz are infantry you can go into buildings. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyraeus Posted February 14, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2019 19 hours ago, fluger said: Why 5 stormboyz instead of another deffkopta? I airbrushed the 3rd one. Sadly they are the Assault on Black Reach models so they are not wysiwyg.... Which annoys me but they are painted 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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