Guest Posted July 7, 2014 Report Share Posted July 7, 2014 Just noting the differences for those of us that learned 6th rules before learning 7th. I've got just the one, but hopefully, for the sake of learning, others can add the other differences. -Double FOC is considered part of the same "detachment" while multiple CADs are considered separate detachment. The big change here is how it applies to special character which modify a detachment's FOC slots. In example Coteaz making INQ into troops would apply to both FOC in a double FOC of 6th, but in 7th, I *believe* it only applies to the detachment that coteaz is included in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestRider Posted July 7, 2014 Report Share Posted July 7, 2014 Double FOC was actually two detachments in 6th as well. They were both considered "primary detachments", but they were distinct detachments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steel Angel Posted July 7, 2014 Report Share Posted July 7, 2014 Saddly Corteaz only makes troops no in grey knights not Inq. anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 7, 2014 Report Share Posted July 7, 2014 Double FOC was actually two detachments in 6th as well. They were both considered "primary detachments", but they were distinct detachments. I recall arguments that coteaz, in example, could take 12x inq henchmen units with a double FOC. In the present detachment rules, I don't think his presence affects the second CAD. Might have worded it wrong. Also, I'm positive that both were not considered primary. The Warlord specifically had to come from the primary, and that couldn't be the second FOC. Saddly Corteaz only makes troops no in grey knights not Inq. anymore. Needs clarity...Page/FAQ reference? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestRider Posted July 7, 2014 Report Share Posted July 7, 2014 I checked it right before I posted that. There are bits like "your warlord may be chosen from either of your primary detachments." FOC swaps like Coteaz depended on how they were worded and whether or not they got Errataed. If they said "in the Army", then they work for all detachments. If they say "In the same Detachment", then they just work in that one detachment. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steel Angel Posted July 7, 2014 Report Share Posted July 7, 2014 It was in the update to ebook ed Inq. codex He no long has lord of Formrea(spelling?) On the plus side Psyker henchmen cost 10pt and can choose from Dae,Div,Pyro,Telk, And Tele. I think this makes them the cheapest Psker out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 7, 2014 Report Share Posted July 7, 2014 It was in the update to ebook ed Inq. codex He no long has lord of Formrea(spelling?) I recall his ability in that "book" makes the INQ into scoring, but not into troops. So, it does not change anything in the present edition. The GK one made them troops. That INQ book is obsolete now too, given that the GK are now BBs to armies of the imperium, and the unlimited use of allied/combine arms detachments. You do lose those few relics, the warlord traits, and that horrible re-wording on the mindstrike missiles which made them useless... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted July 7, 2014 Report Share Posted July 7, 2014 That's correct. They removed his ability since it was useless in 7th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steel Angel Posted July 7, 2014 Report Share Posted July 7, 2014 I recall his ability in that "book" makes the INQ into scoring, but not into troops. So, it does not change anything in the present edition. The GK one made them troops. That INQ book is obsolete now too, given that the GK are now BBs to armies of the imperium, and the unlimited use of allied/combine arms detachments. You do lose those few relics, the warlord traits, and that horrible re-wording on the mindstrike missiles which made them useless... Not really obsolete in GK codex Henchmen are elite unless you take Cortez tax,but in codex I can have 3 units of henchmen without getting Cortez. Plus I can take just 1-2 Inq's if i like Plus a flyer as a dedicated transport. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted July 7, 2014 Report Share Posted July 7, 2014 Not really obsolete in GK codex Henchmen are elite unless you take Cortez tax,but in codex I can have 3 units of henchmen without getting Cortez. Plus I can take just 1-2 Inq's if i like On the nose. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steel Angel Posted July 7, 2014 Report Share Posted July 7, 2014 lol plus for just 385 pts you can add 36 lvl 1 psykers to any IoM army lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 8, 2014 Report Share Posted July 8, 2014 lol plus for just 385 pts you can add 36 lvl 1 psykers to any IoM army lol I think you've got it wrong. The psykers in the henchmen units are brotherhood psykers, so no matter how many you add, they are still just one psyker per unit. Not sure if this was FAQed otherwise, though. Your still limited on slots, even with coteaz, and a second CAD doesn't include his swap of the elites for troops, as I read it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steel Angel Posted July 8, 2014 Report Share Posted July 8, 2014 hmm rereading you may be right about it. before when they just knew 1 power was easy to understand. Nows a bit more Odd does each psyker gen. their own powers. So you could end up with a unit that know all the powers but is lvl 1. if they don't then it makes any sense to take more then one cause it does nothing for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestRider Posted July 8, 2014 Report Share Posted July 8, 2014 There's no longer any reason to take more than one per Unit. No reason to buy extra dudes for Wyrdvane Psyker Squads, either, really. Brotherhood of Psykers is a pretty halfassed rule in a lot of ways :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonVilkee Posted July 8, 2014 Report Share Posted July 8, 2014 Another small thing for battle forged lists that wasn't too be light on hq is a cheap ally that can be the warlord and just hide somewhere. This allows you to be more aggressive with the rest of the force. Hooray special detachments Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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