bkieft Posted July 12, 2015 Report Share Posted July 12, 2015 With OFCC around the corner I started refocusing on 8th edition so that I am not trying to think outside the confounds of the 'old' rule set as I head into next weekend Tripping through the book I thought to myself that 8th isn't complex at all and that I could probably summarize all of the basic rules in 4 pages and move all the specialized skills to unit descriptions and call it a new game. This solidified to me that AoS really is not less complex but trending toward something that always pissed me off around other versions of WFB and 40k where they would move all of the unit rules to the unit descriptions instead of having at least the repetitive/common ones collected in one place. Taking my fleet of foot and impact hits and replicate the verbiage into my "list"/unit rules. Looking at the 40ish pages of army rules to sift through while playing is a bit more taxing than the reverse of a larger basic rulebook with common rule implementation. I found it irritating flipping through the scrolls to see what each of my special rules did or could affect during each phase. Familiarity with the whole would improve over time, but as one of those guys who changes it up all of the time the synergies that people will end up playing in more static lists will grate on me as I continue to just throw down what I want to play, and the dreaded "web lists" will become the norm for AoS which at first I thought AoS might be trying to break...now I think it reinforces it. Figured I would throw down my thought with my realization of how 'not complicated' 8th is and see what you all think. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KJTW Posted July 12, 2015 Report Share Posted July 12, 2015 I am effectively ignoring AoS until after OFCC. I and genuinely interested in learning to play the system. The only real problem I have is with the storm cast models. Their armor has no fasteners, buckled or apparent openings, and all the joints appear to have rubberized looking insides as opposed to cloth or chain mail joints. They just feel like they started with a basic space Marine and made a few changes to the miniature and tossed it out without thinking about it. That and a $28 can of freaking gold spray paint. Some people's kids. It looks like I will get to keep my overs, although with a different name. Hoping the new name comes with new models. If we're going to single models on round bases, I want more dynamic poses. I will probably buy the standalone rulebook and will be looking forward to new models in the future. Until then- You will fear my Ogre horde! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkieft Posted July 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 12, 2015 I am with you on the minis...not impressed, and the prices (if they are meant to be an entry cost) are f-ing ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkieft Posted July 12, 2015 Report Share Posted July 12, 2015 I agree that much of 8th could be stuffed into a way smaller book (4 pages may be tight, but way way smaller it could be). I actually like the rules for each unit all together on the card. I really disliked the previous Army book setup where you had the bestiary with the rules, then a separate spot with points and army build rules... constant flipping back and forth got pretty old. Rule keywords and a rules list section is decent, but you still end up flipping through books to find various rules. With the War scrolls, if you have a unit, then the rules for it are right there in front of you. I do hope they standardize the size of them though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KJTW Posted July 12, 2015 Report Share Posted July 12, 2015 I am with you on the minis...not impressed, and the prices (if they are meant to be an entry cost) are f-ing ridiculous. assuming you buy your paint elsewhere, and this is a skirmish level game it's actually not bad pricewise. The new models are working out to be about $10 apiece (The preorder storm cast stuff is five models for $50) which is pretty good for models that size in a skirmish game. And the chaos stuff that was in the box looks pretty good minus the big thing in my opinion. I remain hopeful as I crunch the bones of my enemies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkieft Posted July 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 12, 2015 Lol I calculated my cost of new armies for WFB at $2.50 per figure for my newest army. I don't understand the skirmish price point they are setting I think you are all insane to buy into a game this expensive. There are better skirmish games for cheaper than 10/figure that are metal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indytims Posted July 12, 2015 Report Share Posted July 12, 2015 Lol I calculated my cost of new armies for WFB at $2.50 per figure for my newest army. I don't understand the skirmish price point they are setting I think you are all insane to buy into a game this expensive. There are better skirmish games for cheaper than 10/figure that are metal. That definitely is a consideration if you like the Celestial Whatzzits, or the 'new' Chaos. If you've got a WHFB army already - the cost to get into this game is 0$. If you're talking from a newcomer's point of view, you can easily pick up a force for far less than $10 a fig... unless you have your heart-set on the golden-marines. If you have your heart set on the Sigmarites... then it does start to look pretty ridiculous right off the bat. :/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
savion47 Posted July 12, 2015 Report Share Posted July 12, 2015 I thought this thread was about 8th. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KJTW Posted July 12, 2015 Report Share Posted July 12, 2015 Lol I calculated my cost of new armies for WFB at $2.50 per figure for my newest army. I don't understand the skirmish price point they are setting I think you are all insane to buy into a game this expensive. There are better skirmish games for cheaper than 10/figure that are metal. Don't have to buy s thing so far. I have Ogres, and Tzeentch WoC. I'm ready to roll ???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkieft Posted July 12, 2015 Report Share Posted July 12, 2015 I thought this thread was about 8th. It is, you just need to read between the lines! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KJTW Posted July 12, 2015 Report Share Posted July 12, 2015 Does anybody else ever have that moment when you have finally finished painting your army, then realize you have a lost a gnoblar, and have to dig a new one out clean it up and paint it on it's own? #oldworldproblems 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudra34 Posted July 12, 2015 Report Share Posted July 12, 2015 Every gnoblar is sacred. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KJTW Posted July 13, 2015 Report Share Posted July 13, 2015 Every gnoblar is sacred.this one will be forever known as Poo Flinger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkieft Posted July 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 13, 2015 I have figured out those missing models are a part of my growing senility...not one of those missing models has ever made it back to the fold. I just cant count. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KJTW Posted July 13, 2015 Report Share Posted July 13, 2015 Well he was a gnoblar and therefore replaceable ( you can't let them have any respect or else they won't fear you). His replacement (Poo Flinger the younger) is complete, my display board has been flocked, and I am done. Stupid gnoblars... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugarlessllama Posted July 13, 2015 Report Share Posted July 13, 2015 I really like 8th edition. I will most likely keep playing it with my dwarfs. There are a ton of the little guys that still need to be painted. Plus there are some additional units I would like to add. Eventually I would like to field a 10 x 10 block of warriors. :D 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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